JetBlue Flight Diverts After Tail Strike.
01-30-2022, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Drum
Let the crew alone. Let's see what shakes out of the investigation. Until then, let it rest.
I do find it unbelievable the crew would knowingly continue to altitude like this. So I’m wondering…did they know? Is it possible the crew was so channelized on the Kingair they weren’t aware they had a tail strike? Yes, I saw the pax video. But the brain can filter out a lot of stuff when threatened/task loaded, as we all know.
01-30-2022, 11:49 PM
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Is it possible the crew was so channelized on the Kingair they weren’t aware they had a tail strike? [/QUOTE].
..If nothing else, the FA will be calling the cockpit from the back of the cabin.. Let's wait and see if they did..
Fly safe,
B757
..If nothing else, the FA will be calling the cockpit from the back of the cabin.. Let's wait and see if they did..
Fly safe,
B757
01-31-2022, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
THIS is the larger issue here. Was one airplane or the other not on the CTAF? How in the H311 do you end up with nose-to-nose at an un-towered airport without somebody being totally off the reservation? That said, the glaring inability of many pilots in a non-tower or non-radar environment is appalling.
01-31-2022, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Gordie H
I agree, wait for the investigation.
I do find it unbelievable the crew would knowingly continue to altitude like this. So I’m wondering…did they know? Is it possible the crew was so channelized on the Kingair they weren’t aware they had a tail strike? Yes, I saw the pax video. But the brain can filter out a lot of stuff when threatened/task loaded, as we all know.
I do find it unbelievable the crew would knowingly continue to altitude like this. So I’m wondering…did they know? Is it possible the crew was so channelized on the Kingair they weren’t aware they had a tail strike? Yes, I saw the pax video. But the brain can filter out a lot of stuff when threatened/task loaded, as we all know.
01-31-2022, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I've done 121 at those kind of airports... it is sketchy, cowboy locals do not talk or even apparently listen on the radio. Even when they obviously knew we there, it seemed as if they knew 121 would have to yield so they just did whatever they wanted. I got to the point where I would not T/O if there was another plane operating on the field who was not talking, too hard to guess what they might do. Had a guy take the runway opposite direction right at V1... assessed we had enough pavement to rotate and climb over him which we did with plenty of room. If I had aborted we would have hit the guy though and it was a tough decision right at V1.
Having said that, I’ve seen seen some wild stuff too. Like a Velocity causing multiple go arounds as they zipped around the pattern talking to nobody several times in Truckee.
01-31-2022, 11:56 AM
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Just this week we rolled through 5 un-towered airports, 2 of which neither of us had ever been to and that’s with over 60 years of corporate/fractional experience between us. Thankfully, we didn’t experience any issues but it’s always a crapshoot.
Mixing turbojets, turboprops, light singles, flight training, maybe a homebuilt or 3, short runways with inadequate or non-existent taxiways (backtaxiing) and sketchy runway condition reporting can be a high stress event. It’s one of the things I won’t miss about this gig even though I’ve seen more places than any airline pilot I know.
Given the traffic mix at Hayden, you’d think they would spring for a contract tower, at least seasonally. Glad the only damage on this event was some burnt tail feathers.
Mixing turbojets, turboprops, light singles, flight training, maybe a homebuilt or 3, short runways with inadequate or non-existent taxiways (backtaxiing) and sketchy runway condition reporting can be a high stress event. It’s one of the things I won’t miss about this gig even though I’ve seen more places than any airline pilot I know.
Given the traffic mix at Hayden, you’d think they would spring for a contract tower, at least seasonally. Glad the only damage on this event was some burnt tail feathers.
01-31-2022, 12:46 PM
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Had to land the wrong way in a pattern once at a small town airport with a large university training program. Flying a turboprop. Our numbers told us there was only one direction we could land due to both runway length, obstacle clearance, and weight. It was a nice day so half the school was up in the pattern training. After announcing a straight in on the opposite direction of traffic flow that day we started getting multiple people on CTAF saying "traffic is opposite" and we then had to explain over CTAF in a busy pattern why we couldn't land with the traffic flow.......to young inexperienced pilots who have most likely never had to calc landing performance in a transport category aircraft. It caused a LOT of confusion on the radio and was nerve-wracking to be honest. But we survived.
01-31-2022, 09:49 PM
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We landed a Citation Encore at Hammond, LA one day. Weather had been IFR but had just cleared up. We shot the ILS and landed, we talked to two other planes in the pattern, both small single engine. As we rolled out we noticed a V-Tail Bonanza moving from right to left at our 2 O'Clock. It then rolls out on final right into our faces. No answer to repeated radio calls. About 50 AGL they saw us and finally went around. After they landed and went to the self service fuel pumps a Top Gun Aviation Ramper drove over there. The CTAF had changed 2 years prior and they still had old charts 
Jets and busy uncontrolled fields were not a good combo.
Jets and busy uncontrolled fields were not a good combo.
02-01-2022, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by AirBear
We landed a Citation Encore at Hammond, LA one day. Weather had been IFR but had just cleared up. We shot the ILS and landed, we talked to two other planes in the pattern, both small single engine. As we rolled out we noticed a V-Tail Bonanza moving from right to left at our 2 O'Clock. It then rolls out on final right into our faces. No answer to repeated radio calls. About 50 AGL they saw us and finally went around. After they landed and went to the self service fuel pumps a Top Gun Aviation Ramper drove over there. The CTAF had changed 2 years prior and they still had old charts
Jets and busy uncontrolled fields were not a good combo.
Jets and busy uncontrolled fields were not a good combo.
02-01-2022, 03:18 PM
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