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Old 02-28-2022, 04:26 PM
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They were thinking of restarting the 124 production line as the current airframes are getting long in the tooth. Do that and cobbling together another 225 like design might be feasible. Depends on how badly the heavy lift is needed around the world.
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Old 02-28-2022, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by FNGFO View Post
They were thinking of restarting the 124 production line as the current airframes are getting long in the tooth. Do that and cobbling together another 225 like design might be feasible. Depends on how badly the heavy lift is needed around the world.
It's a unique capability... the US DoD actually has contracted for their use.
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Old 02-28-2022, 06:53 PM
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It's a unique capability... the US DoD actually has contracted for their use.
Honestly, it might be a chance to extend its capabilities. Redesign the center wing section to maybe accommodate 4 larger, more powerful and efficient engines, and then bolt on the 124 wings and add the fuselage plugs.

Obviously overstating the simplicity, but most of the plane is already designed and perhaps the tooling still exists.
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Old 02-28-2022, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by FNGFO View Post
Obviously overstating the simplicity, but most of the plane is already designed and perhaps the tooling still exists.
The tooling doesn't exist. Only one was ever built. This isn't a production airplane. Another is 60% complete; Antonov says it will take 300 million to complete.
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The tooling doesn't exist. Only one was ever built. This isn't a production airplane. Another is 60% complete; Antonov says it will take 300 million to complete.
Correct for the six-engine job.

The four engine version should be easier to produce, and IIRC they were trying to get that going recently.

I suspect the commercial economics only worked for the 225 because the USSR had already designed and built it... doubt the business model would support production of any more.
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
The tooling doesn't exist. Only one was ever built. This isn't a production airplane. Another is 60% complete; Antonov says it will take 300 million to complete.
It’s a lengthened 124 with 124 wings attached to an extended center section and a modified tail. The tooling largely exists if they still have the tooling to build 124s.
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Old 03-01-2022, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by FNGFO View Post
It’s a lengthened 124 with 124 wings attached to an extended center section and a modified tail. The tooling largely exists if they still have the tooling to build 124s.
You're arguing with the wrong guy. JohnBurke was the lead engineer of the 225 project.
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Old 03-01-2022, 06:45 PM
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It’s a lengthened 124 with 124 wings attached to an extended center section and a modified tail. The tooling largely exists if they still have the tooling to build 124s.
Not according to Antonov. Antonov tried to revive it and build the second after a 25 year hiatus; they spent three years, got it to 60%, and shelved it. They came back to say it would cost three hundred million to complete the project. Perhaps you're more aware of what's needed than the manufacturer. If Ukraine survives, perhaps you can tell them.
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Old 03-02-2022, 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
Ukraine is about to become a russian state, again. The Ukranians aren't likely to rebuild it, given that Antanov claimed when they shut the second build down in 2009, that it would require an additional 300 million. The russians can barely maintain what they do have; russian gear always flies on the ragged edge of broke. The Ukranians are posturing, saying that the Russians will have to pay for this damage, now they're claiming it will be three billion.

The airplane burned up on the 24th, along with its storage facility.

It ain't coming back.

Ukraine suggestion that Russia will pay for the airplane is a bit like saying Mexico will pay for the wall. Not happening.

As opposed to the United States where we can just invent money out of thin air. 30 trillion in debt doesn't mean anything, right? I think we are all about to have a rude awakening as soon as the booze wears off and the hangover begins.
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
Not according to Antonov. Antonov tried to revive it and build the second after a 25 year hiatus; they spent three years, got it to 60%, and shelved it. They came back to say it would cost three hundred million to complete the project. Perhaps you're more aware of what's needed than the manufacturer. If Ukraine survives, perhaps you can tell them.
How much it costs has nothing to do with the issue. What I said was that they largely have the tooling to build another if they still have the tooling to build more 124’s. Maybe they don’t, and thus the cost. Maybe they were trying to build one with more modern systems, avionics and engines. Or redesign the center wing and tail since it’s not required to carry an orbiter.

You’re no more informed on the subject than anyone else, but you are emotional about it.
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