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EasternATC 10-25-2023 03:24 AM

Houston, we have a problem...
 
Hawker and Citation collide at runway intersection.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANJq5wBaXmE

rickair7777 10-25-2023 06:53 AM

Wow. Nice work getting that back on the ground. Split second from catastrophe.

Be careful out there.

flydrive 10-25-2023 11:52 AM

FAA tweeted that the Hawker took off without clearance. Ouch.

AirBear 10-25-2023 02:28 PM

It doesn't get any closer than that. Pure luck the airborne aircraft was still flyable. Just pure dumb luck.

I don't know if this was a factor but Corporate Operators are having a hard time finding and keeping pilots at a time when someone can hold Captain and make $300K+/yr with just a year's seniority at UAL and Delta.
Some are really having to scrap the bottom of the barrel.

EyeKantEven 10-25-2023 05:53 PM

Is it just me, or did that alfalfa pilot have a bit of an attitude after (allegedly) DEPARTING WITHOUT CLEARANCE?

"We can't do that.... YOU GUYS cleared somebody to takeoff or land, and we hit 'em"

Nothing like a good offense!

I'm tellin' ya', man... mushrooms and planes don't mix.

Brickhut 11-09-2023 09:24 AM

So, not only did these pilots take off without a clearance, but they missed two calls to stop their takeoff roll because they were "distracted" by a rudder bias alert, as well as a pitch trim alert.....that they decided to fix on the roll. GA in a nutshell.

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/347213

symbian simian 11-09-2023 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by Brickhut (Post 3722492)
So, not only did these pilots take off without a clearance, but they missed two calls to stop their takeoff roll because they were "distracted" by a rudder bias alert, as well as a pitch trim alert.....that they decided to fix on the roll. GA in a nutshell.

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/347213

Seems they were distracted to the point of taking off without clearance by :"As the airplane began the left turn to be perpendicular to the runway, they stated the V-speeds were no longer on the display screens.".
And subsequently missed those abort calls because they had 2 failures.
And still decide to continue the take off.


I did about 7 years of ACMI abroad, and 8 in 91k, currently 10+ in 121. Flew with 1 guy that this would have happened to, when I started flying 25 years ago, as a very junior FO. That is still 1 too many, but I don't think this would be normal in 135.


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