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rickair7777 04-26-2024 09:50 AM

LH 747 Hard Landing
 
Entertaining, but it didn't look like it broke anything. Reportedly a "training" flight with pax, so IOE.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0V0BuzdbvQ

JohnBurke 04-26-2024 05:38 PM

You know what they say: any landing you can go around from can't be all bad.

"They," in the purely trumpian sense. I don't mean that in a good way.

Spectre186 04-26-2024 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3796680)
You know what they say: any landing you can go around from can't be all bad.

"They," in the purely trumpian sense. I don't mean that in a good way.

Above for headwork, rather than let it porpoise and crush the nose gear.

rickair7777 04-26-2024 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by Spectre186 (Post 3796694)
Above for headwork, rather than let it porpoise and crush the nose gear.

Yes, but Positive Rate, Gear Up. Maybe somebody was a little rattled.

Sliceback 04-28-2024 06:06 AM

Look at the elevator - it shows the push - pull movements that resulted in the 3 point, or almost 3 point, landing after the bounce. Just a little bit later on the 'save' and it would have been a nose gear first landing. That's when it can get ugly...and expensive.

Don't push forward on the yoke. It's been jet flying 101 for decades.

Beech Dude 04-28-2024 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by Sliceback (Post 3796963)
Look at the elevator - it shows the push - pull movements that resulted in the 3 point, or almost 3 point, landing after the bounce. Just a little bit later on the 'save' and it would have been a nose gear first landing. That's when it can get ugly...and expensive.

Don't push forward on the yoke. It's been jet flying 101 for decades.

Exactly. Anyone landing that poorly has no business being in a transport category jet; let alone a heavy. This is an example of someone acting in a capacity well beyond their ability.

We've all had bad days and clunkers, but this really shouldnt be happening on a 74.

cardiomd 04-28-2024 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by Beech Dude (Post 3796969)
Exactly. Anyone landing that poorly has no business being in a transport category jet; let alone a heavy. This is an example of someone acting in a capacity well beyond their ability.

We've all had bad days and clunkers, but this really shouldnt be happening on a 74.

Also anybody commentating like that really needs to get out more and do something else for awhile. I was less excited at the birth of my first child. Holy moly!

Rumor has it a sports team captain was allowed to be at the controls and give the landing a try.

Csy Mon 04-28-2024 10:37 AM

Seems to be a bit of pilot induced rock and roll on short final.
I flew the 747s for 15 years and had my share of "arrivals" but never bounced one, that there was pretty rough and must have triggered a heavy landing inspection for sure.
Pan Am lost 3 out of 4 hydraulic systems in San Francisco and bounced one using only half the main gear and it still held.

Sliceback 04-28-2024 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by cardiomd (Post 3796972)
Also anybody commentating like that really needs to get out more and do something else for awhile. I was less excited at the birth of my first child. Holy moly!

Rumor has it a sports team captain was allowed to be at the controls and give the landing a try.

It's embarrassing for the profession. Imagine if you saw a fellow doctor tying stitches using squirrel knots. You wouldn't care for it either. "Seriously? You made it through residency but that's how you close up??"

Sliceback 04-28-2024 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by Csy Mon (Post 3797037)
Seems to be a bit of pilot induced rock and roll on short final.
I flew the 747s for 15 years and had my share of "arrivals" but never bounced one, that there was pretty rough and must have triggered a heavy landing inspection for sure.
Pan Am lost 3 out of 4 hydraulic systems in San Francisco and bounced one using only half the main gear and it still held.

Landing nose gear first is/was the threat. Tracking straight they're supposed to take 600 FPM at max landing weight. Lighter than MLW and the acceptable sink rate gets even higher. Crab/drift or side loading reduces the limits.


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