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Busting ear drums
Cabin pressure issue on Delta flight causes bloody ears and noses for passengershttps://www.cnn.com/2024/09/17/trave...ent/index.html |
That's going to cost them a few bucks... ruptured ear drums often can't be fixed very well, so hearing loss.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3837882)
ruptured ear drums often can't be fixed very well, so hearing loss.
From WebMD: "Typically, no specific treatment is needed for a ruptured eardrum because most heal on their own within 2-3 months. " https://www.webmd.com/pain-managemen...and-treatments And 2-3 months is for your normal hearing to return. After a week, I felt like my hearing had returned to normal, but it was probably at 90%. |
"Barberpole" sometimes stayed high in the 72 and did idle and barberpole descent which saved time and fuel, usually in the islands. "Mel, I can't keep the cabin up with the airplane." Mel: "I've never landed without a cabin yet."
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Originally Posted by 1wife2airlines
(Post 3838036)
"Barberpole" sometimes stayed high in the 72 and did idle and barberpole descent which saved time and fuel, usually in the islands. "Mel, I can't keep the cabin up with the airplane." Mel: "I've never landed without a cabin yet."
If the F/E had descended the cabin faster manually the problem could be avoided. Takes a bit of head work ahead of the descent to realize the programmed setting won't hack it. Either way, manually increasing the rate of descent or falling behind will result in a higher cabin descent rate. Due to the lower pressure differential it's better off doing the higher cabin descent rate at altitude. That's how the modern pressurization systems handle it. |
737. Not the first, nor the last. A good lawyer would get the logbook and write-up. Was there actually a failure or were the bleeds or packs set up wrong? Others have had the same problem - forget to put the bleeds/packs on, don't check the pressurization on low altitude climb out (carpenter check - 1x3, 2x4 - 1 PSI @ 3,000', 2 PSI @ 4,000') and they get the alert at 10,000'. The rookie mistake is to put both bleeds/packs on (that's the expected configuration) put that creates a massive pressure spike - bam, blown ear drums. Typically manual bleed/pack is one on...pause...let the system stabilize, then re-instate the second pack. Power reduction can help depending upon aircraft type.
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
(Post 3838020)
Where did you here this?
Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
(Post 3838020)
A ruptured eardrum is annoying, but it does not cause hearing loss. Eardrums grow back just like any other skin. Everything just sounds muffled for about a week and then hearing rapidly returns to normal. It doesn't even hurt (well the initial rupture does, but after that, it feels fine).
From WebMD: "Typically, no specific treatment is needed for a ruptured eardrum because most heal on their own within 2-3 months. " https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/ruptured-eardrum-symptoms-and-treatments And 2-3 months is for your normal hearing to return. After a week, I felt like my hearing had returned to normal, but it was probably at 90%. A severe pressure-unduced trauma is typically way worse than enthusiastic use of a qtip. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 3838059)
Professional diver training.
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
(Post 3838358)
I dive too. A ruptured eardrum from diving is completely different than aviation. Water is a more dense fluid and the pressure differential in a dive is multiple times greater than anything anything a plane will see.
But the eardrum will rupture at the same dP regardless of the fluid. I wouldn't care to put it to the test. One atmosphere (14.7 psi) dP will pretty much rupture eardrums 100% of the time. Our relief valves go at about 9 psi, and I'd SWAG that will get you ballpark at least 50% rupture. |
Originally Posted by Sliceback
(Post 3838045)
That doesn't save fuel. The biggest fuel savings is cruising at you most efficient altitude until you can do an idle descent at L/D. That's typically about minimum clean speed or up to 10 kts faster. 250 kts closer enough. Zero out the K factor (727 PDCS - Performance Data Computer System????) or a modern FMC cost index and it typically defaults to 250 kts but the real best fuel speed is even slower. But the time goes up a LOT so the total cost goes up. However if you're trying to 'go fast' the most efficient way to save fuel/time is...leave early, taxi quickly, be ready, get short cuts. Inflight high speed descent is best, followed by a bit faster climb speed, with a higher cruise speed being the least efficient fuel burn to save time.
If the F/E had descended the cabin faster manually the problem could be avoided. Takes a bit of head work ahead of the descent to realize the programmed setting won't hack it. Either way, manually increasing the rate of descent or falling behind will result in a higher cabin descent rate. Due to the lower pressure differential it's better off doing the higher cabin descent rate at altitude. That's how the modern pressurization systems handle it. |
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