Dover C-5 accident animation
#14
Guys, the fellows that did not appear to know where they were inflight were the flight engineers...(at least one)...The CDPIR .."crash data position and incident recorder"...( I think that is right...I'm old) or voice recorder records EVERTHING, yes everything that is spoken by anyone on the intercom system. It records conversations on "hot mike" even if it is not heard by the pilots.....that is why there was all that conversation that appeared to be stepping on each other....
The real shame is that a routine engine out landing turned into a 2 engine out approach for no real reason.
Had they used the recommended 40% flaps I'm sure they would have made the runway......selecting 100% flaps...a normal 4 engine configuration, put them severly behind "the power curve".
The AC was the junior officer of the year for the wing and the other 2 guys were the squadron commander and the senior civilian/militay officer..."OnT".
Hope this helps explain what made the tape sound like the pilots didn't know where they were.....and yes I was suprised how quiet the pilots were on Final...
Bill
The real shame is that a routine engine out landing turned into a 2 engine out approach for no real reason.
Had they used the recommended 40% flaps I'm sure they would have made the runway......selecting 100% flaps...a normal 4 engine configuration, put them severly behind "the power curve".
The AC was the junior officer of the year for the wing and the other 2 guys were the squadron commander and the senior civilian/militay officer..."OnT".
Hope this helps explain what made the tape sound like the pilots didn't know where they were.....and yes I was suprised how quiet the pilots were on Final...
Bill
Last edited by agsbill; 09-03-2006 at 02:43 PM. Reason: cause
#17
I dont know how the C5 thrust levers are, but in every jet I've flown, when you secure an engine you move the lever to "cutoff" (below the detent). This way, it doesn't line up with the other levers at flight idle. Seems like a different procedure could have prevented this accident (along with going out and running some proper checklists and then commencing the approach)
Very unfortunate accident, and very preventable.
Very unfortunate accident, and very preventable.
#18
The best part of the video is the "For Official Use Only" slide at the end. The video is, "privileged, limited use, safety information" and should never have posted on the net.
I guess whomever posted the video knows better than the AF leadership...
I guess whomever posted the video knows better than the AF leadership...
Last edited by Razor; 10-01-2006 at 09:24 AM.
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#20
The aircrew will suffer NO repercussions as a result of the AF Safety Investigation, the Supreme Court has upheld case history to the effect that whatever a crew member reveals during the course of a Safety investigation is priviledged material and not releaseable to the public or to agencies outside of the AF "Safety World." (this is similar to an NTSB investigation)
The Accident Investigation is where they "read you your rights" and crews can be grounded/disciplined based on what is revealed, but the AIB (Accident Invest. Board) has to do their own "legwork." (much like the FAA investigating for possible violations, etc)
Dave.
P.S. I was an accident investigator/safety officer for the AF before I retired. If there are any questions, please ask and I'll tell what I can.
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