Xjet skids off runway
 

WX at the time:

KMLI 291852Z 15007KT 10SM CLR 26/14 A3004 RMK AO2 SLP170 T02560139
KMLI 291752Z 00000KT 10SM CLR 24/13 A3005 RMK AO2 SLP172 T02440128 10244 20144 58003

Someone sent me this. Maybe an uncommanded steering issue??


QCOnline : United flight off runway at Quad-City airport; no injuries

I hope so for the crew's sake.

Yeah, the metar doesn't offer any promising alibis.

backseat quarterbacking
 

"Hard landing" + veering = blown tire? Glad everyone is ok.

What would lead you to believe one is needed/necessary?

Always nice when the benefit of the doubt is given :rolleyes:

Probably the most statiscally prevalent contributing factor to departure from paved surfaces - - contaminated runways.
Why do you think another poster even looked at/posted the METAR from the time of the mishap?

USMCFLYR

"It's best left to the professionals to evaluate," he said.

Are you aware of the history of the aircraft and it's uncommanded nosewheel steering tendencies?

As well as the XJT's requirement for a memory item dealing with such?

So I'll ask you the same, what makes you think a alibi is necessary? To add, do you have the facts to make a determination as to what the cause was? Does a nice/happy METAR mean NOTHING else could have happened :rolleyes:

That scenario is given on A LOT of PCs. Also, look at how narrow the runway is there.

No need to ask me anything. You'll need to point out to me from my post however where you think I said an alibi was necessary. I'm not making any determinations here. Of course with any safety training, the first look would go to environmentals when you hear about an aircraft going off the runway. If I am sitting in my cubicle today and someone calls out "Hey - an aircraft went off the runway at XXXX, then the first thing crossing my mind would probably be "I wonder what the weather was?" If you think that deductive reasoning is asking for an alibi then maybe you aren't the one using your head?
But the good thing about the NTSB is that they will be looking at ALL possibilities. Does a nice/happy METAR mean NOTHING else could have happened? I'm not even sure where you are trying to go with that question; but something obviously DID happen.
You seem to be jumping to conclusions about NWS problems as quickly as you are jumping on others asking about weather conditions. Supposition goes both ways.

USMCFLYR

The tone of your post indicated otherwise. Actually, in this day and age, the first things I think of is "I wonder if was something fatigue related?".

The choice of the word "alibi" is pretty poor in something like this. But feel free to disagree. If maybe you aren't thinking SOMETHING else maybe worthy of an "alibi", maybe you are't using your head? Don't really appreciate the condescending tone.

Google "EMB145 uncommanded nose wheel steering".

Again, don't really appreciate the condescending tone you're taking.

I blame PBS

I didn't take that from his post.


Maybe the benefit of the doubt should be given when determining the tone of a written web board posting. (the tone there was sarcasm)

Same with your posts.

Impossible, I blame the pairing build software.

OK, fair enough, how about we just leave it with this then, whaddya think?

Isn't MLI where they are landing on the Taxiway that is about 75' wide, while they are resurfacing the runways?

It's military-speak...I just said that Wx did not appear to be a factor.

You're reading that condescending tone in there xjtguy.
Anybody could say anything about the situation right now and you would be defensive about it.
Another poster simply posted a METAR for the mishap time.
Yes - fatigue is the buzz word isn't it. It fits lots of situations, and many times is tried to force into situations too.

USMCFLYR

MLI's open runway gives the impression of a 6500 foot long cart path. Due to all of the construction, that place is a mess.

Nope, just trying to get people to realize this crew may not need an "alibi" based on previous issues with the aircraft type. I really couldn't care less if that's a military term or not, it's pretty poor to use it in a situation like this. It seems as if somebody disagrees with you or has a different thought process than you, you get defensive. Sorry, you've got to be able to accept criticism yourself if you're gonna hand it out :cool:

Looking at the pairing they were on, probably inconclusive whether or not it could be a contributing factor. Show times were all over the place with an RR overnight tossed in. But flying 121, and the crappy schedules that go along with it, I'd hardly call fatigue a buzzword.

The runway length isn't the problem there, it is the width. I've been there a couple times this past month, and when it is raining with a crosswind, that runway look really small. I also like the 10 minute taxi from the terminal to runway 28.

Wingnut

Dude, Xjguy, relax.......

How dare you refer to fatigue as a buzzword.

I did a continuous duty overnight today and slept from 9AM to 2pm when I got home.

The thing is, I could have had an entire workday scheduled after our early arrival because our layover time at the hotel was actually long enough to be called a reduced rest layover. Which, according to xjtguy, is what this crew had done not long before this incident took place.

So while I was able to come home and sleep as long as I wanted, I could have been in that plane landing on a 75 foot wide runway when, as evidenced by how long I slept when I got home, my body would have not been in any other rest state than one of fatigue.

Close this thread, I cant stand reading another annoying post from XJTGUY

A shame because there is a lot of good info on this thread (RWY width, NWS malfunctions, crew rest).

Do airlines place restrictions against FO's landing on such a narrow runway? What type of guidance was disseminated on operating from KMLI during runway construction?

Wao, it sounds like an uncommanded swirving on landing. That is one of the scariest things on the E145... The crew did a good job...

I bet you're a joy to fly with.

Well then, reading some of the posts on this thread I think we all know who one of the crew members was. :D

The runway is 100' wide. The width of the runway didn't have anything to do with the event.

The ASAP ERC was late last week and the preliminary data was reviewed;

1) The touchdown was extremely smooth, despite a passenger's claim to the contrary
2) It happened at high speed as well as aggressively.
3) The crew reacted quickly and aggressively. Despite having the crap kicked out of them bouncing around and things flying all over the cockpit.

From what was garnered, a wider runway and it would have been just another slow news day in Moline.

A butt hurt RJ fo arguing on the inter webs with a Fed. Someone pass me a beer and popcorn.