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gettinbumped 01-24-2012 11:30 AM

2 Pinnacle Planes off the Runway in 1 day?
 
Jet Slides Off Iowa Taxiway; No Injuries Reported | KCRG-TV9 | Cedar Rapids, Iowa News, Sports, and Weather | Local News

No injuries when small plane slides off Alpena runway | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

Not that this was a cause in either incident, but just a reminder to all of us that we need to try extremely hard to put all the contract, pay cut, crappy management distractions on the back burner when we are flying the jet.

anthony210 01-24-2012 11:58 AM

But if you are flying the prop, distractions are OK!





Just kidding...

gettinbumped 01-24-2012 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by anthony210 (Post 1121913)
But if you are flying the prop, distractions are OK!





Just kidding...

Ha! Good point! Sorry, habit

captfred 01-24-2012 12:05 PM

Thats nothing- remember when Grand Air had 2 hull losses in one day?

mimatti 01-24-2012 01:02 PM

It's never routine
 

Originally Posted by gettinbumped (Post 1121893)
Jet Slides Off Iowa Taxiway; No Injuries Reported | KCRG-TV9 | Cedar Rapids, Iowa News, Sports, and Weather | Local News

No injuries when small plane slides off Alpena runway | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

Not that this was a cause in either incident, but just a reminder to all of us that we need to try extremely hard to put all the contract, pay cut, crappy management distractions on the back burner when we are flying the jet.

Absolutely correct, there's no such thing as a routine flight!! Distractions, pressure to completing a flight, both crews and passengers on both flights were fortunate enough that somewhere in the process the links did not all come together and caused a worse scenario as was the case in Milwaukee in '05 and Traverse City in '07. I think we dodged a bullet in both cases.

Colgan Pilot 01-24-2012 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by jayray2 (Post 1122037)
To me it says something about the training at 9E, it doesn't cut it. FAA approved? Yes, but good training? No. The training is geared toward nothing more than getting people through, it isn't set up to train pilots to properly fly the line. With proper training you can take anyone of average intelligence and average hand-eye coordination and make them a competent pilot. It is only going to get worse with all the training going on.

For crying out loud...

Slipping off a taxiway has nothing to do with what happened at Flight safety or in the classroom.

Since when did you just spend a sim session taxiing in icy conditions?

It has to do with pilots being distracted. The fact that it happened to two pilots, apparently one a Colgan transition and the other a Mesaba crew proves that it could happen to ANY crew, on ANY airplane, at ANY airport that are not paying enough attention.

Silver02ex 01-24-2012 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by Bzwebner (Post 1122038)
For crying out loud...

Slipping off a taxiway has nothing to do with what happened at Flight safety or in the classroom.

Since when did you just spend a sim session taxiing in icy conditions?

It has to do with pilots being distracted. The fact that it happened to two pilots, apparently one a Colgan transition and the other a Mesaba crew proves that it could happen to ANY crew, on ANY airplane, at ANY airport that are not paying enough attention.

Actually, it wouldn't happen to Chuck Norris.

Moonwolf 01-24-2012 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by Bzwebner (Post 1122038)
For crying out loud...


Since when did you just spend a sim session taxiing in icy conditions?

I did that in the sim...

USMCFLYR 01-24-2012 03:22 PM

OK forum members. Most of you who have participated in this thread so far have been on APC long enough to know that if something is likely to be a TOS violation that it, and all others posts which contain the deleted material, will also be deleted. If you feel that you MUST comment, your safest bet is to not quote the offending material to preserve your own post.

The thread is real close to being closed if we can't get past the insulting an entire pilot group without unfounded speculation.

USMCFLYR

cencal83406 01-24-2012 03:52 PM

@jayray...

The irony of commenting on 9E training from a 9L pilot is not lost on me :cool:


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