ShyGuy

Really? And what about the Colgan 3407 crash? Did they say 3 days after the crash that they heard a stick shaker go off followed by a huge increase in back pressure on the yoke? That would have made the cause very clear really quickly. But no, we heard nothing for a couple months. Tail icing rumors came out. It was mostly in the first week of May that information came out and then the public hearing shortly after that in May that people finally got the whiff of truth.

BUT, it has to be taken in context. Could you imagine if they had released that both pilots commuted in (one through the night), did not sleep in a hotel, barely got any naps, got a stickshaker on approach, and then pulled back aggravating the stall into a spin? Those are pretty much the facts but IF released just 2-3 days after the crash it paints an INCOMPLETE picture of the overall crash. Once ALL the facts came out, it made more sense in CONTEXT. For example, the Colgan pay and the FO voicing concerns she simply couldn't afford a hotel room. How she grossed 15,800 he first year. Etc etc etc. The public finally got to see the real truth about the regional industry. None of this would have been possible if they released only the tidbits 3 days after the crash.

And who was the NTSB Chair when 3407 happened? I though the investigation into Colgan 3407 was very professional, handled properly and information released only when it was complete, in context, analyzed, and ready to be released.

And yes, for the DC shooting that's exactly what I would have said. Except that there was no second shooter. Everyone wants to know already WHY. Why did it happen. Well gee do you think there's any lack of mentally unstable people in this country? Throw in an ex-military background, a security card that is virtually handed out to anyone for the job, and DC's draconian gun laws, they ensure that civilians will not be able to carry a weapon to defend themselves. Of the 12 dead, so far it seems all were unarmed civilians. He was finally put down by an armed individual. And the liberal response? Lets ban the AR15! The worst mass shooting in the country (fatalities) happened without the AR15 - Virgina Tech = 2 handguns. But go on liberals, ban a "scary" looking weapon. One day liberals will realize you can't outlaw intent and all you can do is allow the common people - regular law abiding citizens - the opportunity to properly defend themselves if faced with this kind of situation. But California, New Jersey, and all the other bluest of liberal states certainly don't seem to think so.

ShyGuy

Final report? Dream on. How about even a preliminary report. They sure did say a whole lotta things just 2-3 days after the crash to not already have put out a prelim report. Maybe they spoke too soon?

Timbo

I'll bet that after that News Anchor read those phony names, the Korean Government picked up the phone and called Obama, and said, "Hey shut they fark up, or else!"

It's been very quiet ever since then, which tells me someone is keeping a lid on it. Deb's boss would be my guess.

EasternATC

For the last 10 major aviation accident reports on the NTSB site, the average time between the accident and final report is ~18 months. I would submit that this investigation is proceeding at regular pace with no extraordinary outside influence. Seriously.

It has been my experience that the NTSB doesn't usually let external forces influence their reports. Their own biases--and whatever axes they have to grind--are what flavors their reports.

USMCFLYR

SFO reveals missteps after Asiana crash - SFGate

Seems some refund might be in order.
It is good that things lessons are learned, but it seems that foresight is short.
A breakdown of communication is often a disaster. Case in point.

USMCFLYR

Further report of hearings to be conducted:
Federal panel to hold hearing on S.F. Asiana crash - SFGate

KC10 FATboy

"Officials with the National Transportation Safety Board already have named several possible factors in the crash that left three dead and 181 injured. Those include problems with the Boeing 777's automatic throttle" ...

I can not believe they're going try and fault the 777. There are no problems with the 777's autothrottles -- only the piots who can't fly without them.

Grumble

Exactly. They knew they were below REF and slowing, and no one fixed it. That's a failure of basic airmanship, not the airplane.

Would anyone on this board just ride the airplane into the dirt wondering why the auto throttles aren't saving you?

9780991975808

My guess is anyone who didn't learn to manage his mental resources would, given the right set of circumstances. These pilots can be overtaxed to the point where neither reason nor instinct will save them. Seen it lots of times in the box. And mental overloading isn't necessarily due to high workload. It could be due to low load bearing capacity at that moment caused by a number of factors (e.g., fatigue). Leaning on the pilot to get with the program, as some suggest, accomplishes nothing beyond displaying supreme ignorance of how humans function. Teach him to recognize mental overloading and loadshedding. It ought to be part of pilot education, IMO.

CRM114

Is the translation for that: "someone who doesn't have their **** together"?

I can understand one guy having a bad day, but all four of them in CAVOK, light winds, and a 10+ mile final...and nobody in the pointy end can recognize an autothrottle failure? WTH?

Are you talking about a cultural issue with that pilot group, the crew involved in the accident, or pilots in general?