Asiana 777 Crash at SFO
#801
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[If that was your approach to accident information in today's environment - to not release any information - your tenure would indeed be short. I suppose in a different context (the Navy Yard shootings), you would get up there in front of the media and report hat there had in fact been a mass murder and there might even be an unaccounted for shooter, but there is an invesitgation on-going and you'll find out when I'm done.
BUT, it has to be taken in context. Could you imagine if they had released that both pilots commuted in (one through the night), did not sleep in a hotel, barely got any naps, got a stickshaker on approach, and then pulled back aggravating the stall into a spin? Those are pretty much the facts but IF released just 2-3 days after the crash it paints an INCOMPLETE picture of the overall crash. Once ALL the facts came out, it made more sense in CONTEXT. For example, the Colgan pay and the FO voicing concerns she simply couldn't afford a hotel room. How she grossed 15,800 he first year. Etc etc etc. The public finally got to see the real truth about the regional industry. None of this would have been possible if they released only the tidbits 3 days after the crash.
And who was the NTSB Chair when 3407 happened? I though the investigation into Colgan 3407 was very professional, handled properly and information released only when it was complete, in context, analyzed, and ready to be released.
And yes, for the DC shooting that's exactly what I would have said. Except that there was no second shooter. Everyone wants to know already WHY. Why did it happen. Well gee do you think there's any lack of mentally unstable people in this country? Throw in an ex-military background, a security card that is virtually handed out to anyone for the job, and DC's draconian gun laws, they ensure that civilians will not be able to carry a weapon to defend themselves. Of the 12 dead, so far it seems all were unarmed civilians. He was finally put down by an armed individual. And the liberal response? Lets ban the AR15! The worst mass shooting in the country (fatalities) happened without the AR15 - Virgina Tech = 2 handguns. But go on liberals, ban a "scary" looking weapon. One day liberals will realize you can't outlaw intent and all you can do is allow the common people - regular law abiding citizens - the opportunity to properly defend themselves if faced with this kind of situation. But California, New Jersey, and all the other bluest of liberal states certainly don't seem to think so.
#802
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Well it's been over two months since this accident. The pilots are all alive, the NTSB had the CVR and FDR on day one, they've interviewed the pilots, there is even video footage of the accident.
WHERE IS THE REPORT?
I'll bet it's being rewritten over and over, to be politically acceptable to the Korean government. And you know Boeing isn't going to want to be blamed for this fiasco, not with all those lawsuits pending!
Anyone been through 777 recurrent lately got any scoop on what these guys were really doing with the FMS and autopilot?
WHERE IS THE REPORT?
I'll bet it's being rewritten over and over, to be politically acceptable to the Korean government. And you know Boeing isn't going to want to be blamed for this fiasco, not with all those lawsuits pending!
Anyone been through 777 recurrent lately got any scoop on what these guys were really doing with the FMS and autopilot?
#803
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I'll bet that after that News Anchor read those phony names, the Korean Government picked up the phone and called Obama, and said, "Hey shut they fark up, or else!"
It's been very quiet ever since then, which tells me someone is keeping a lid on it. Deb's boss would be my guess.
#804
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For the last 10 major aviation accident reports on the NTSB site, the average time between the accident and final report is ~18 months. I would submit that this investigation is proceeding at regular pace with no extraordinary outside influence. Seriously.
It has been my experience that the NTSB doesn't usually let external forces influence their reports. Their own biases--and whatever axes they have to grind--are what flavors their reports.
It has been my experience that the NTSB doesn't usually let external forces influence their reports. Their own biases--and whatever axes they have to grind--are what flavors their reports.
#805
KSFO lessons learned
SFO reveals missteps after Asiana crash - SFGate
Seems some refund might be in order.
It is good that things lessons are learned, but it seems that foresight is short.
A breakdown of communication is often a disaster. Case in point.
Seems some refund might be in order.
The website - run out of a single network server in Denver - normally handled about 19,000 visitors a day and cost $180,000 to set up. It began failing within two minutes of the 11:28 a.m. crash and went dark completely in 30 minutes, hit by a wave of as many as 75,000 users, Schuler said.
The airport's 8-year-old website was "ancient" by current standards, Schuler said. On Aug. 20, the airport replaced it with a system that works off an Amazon cloud-based platform.
Footage recorded by a fire lieutenant's helmet camera, reviewed by The Chronicle, shows that firefighters spraying flame-retardant foam on the burning plane did not alert commanders to the presence of the victim, 16-year-old Ye Meng Yuan, whom they had already found on the ground near the plane's left wing. She eventually became covered in foam and was struck and killed by a fire rig.
#806
Further report of hearings to be conducted:
Federal panel to hold hearing on S.F. Asiana crash - SFGate
Federal panel to hold hearing on S.F. Asiana crash - SFGate
#807
"Officials with the National Transportation Safety Board already have named several possible factors in the crash that left three dead and 181 injured. Those include problems with the Boeing 777's automatic throttle" ...
I can not believe they're going try and fault the 777. There are no problems with the 777's autothrottles -- only the piots who can't fly without them.
I can not believe they're going try and fault the 777. There are no problems with the 777's autothrottles -- only the piots who can't fly without them.
#808
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"Officials with the National Transportation Safety Board already have named several possible factors in the crash that left three dead and 181 injured. Those include problems with the Boeing 777's automatic throttle" ...
I can not believe they're going try and fault the 777. There are no problems with the 777's autothrottles -- only the piots who can't fly without them.
I can not believe they're going try and fault the 777. There are no problems with the 777's autothrottles -- only the piots who can't fly without them.
Would anyone on this board just ride the airplane into the dirt wondering why the auto throttles aren't saving you?
#809
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My guess is anyone who didn't learn to manage his mental resources would, given the right set of circumstances. These pilots can be overtaxed to the point where neither reason nor instinct will save them. Seen it lots of times in the box. And mental overloading isn't necessarily due to high workload. It could be due to low load bearing capacity at that moment caused by a number of factors (e.g., fatigue). Leaning on the pilot to get with the program, as some suggest, accomplishes nothing beyond displaying supreme ignorance of how humans function. Teach him to recognize mental overloading and loadshedding. It ought to be part of pilot education, IMO.
#810
I can understand one guy having a bad day, but all four of them in CAVOK, light winds, and a 10+ mile final...and nobody in the pointy end can recognize an autothrottle failure? WTH?
Are you talking about a cultural issue with that pilot group, the crew involved in the accident, or pilots in general?
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