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USMCFLYR 09-06-2013 05:37 AM

To go-around or not.....that is the question.
 
Though prior poster Dergrossen was way off on many of his unfounded rants - one particular one about go-arounds actually rasies an important safety issue.
Are pilots *afraid* of going around for any number of reasons?
For those of you in P121 flying - can you expect to be called on the carpet to explain WHY?
How about the P135 operators? Any difference?
For you P91 guys who fly owner/operators - have you ever been asked to explain your actions by 'the boss' if you had to go-around for any reason?

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Interesting analogy from the article:

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RI830 09-06-2013 06:06 AM


Originally Posted by USMCFLYR (Post 1478439)
Though prior poster Dergrossen was way off on many of his unfounded rants - one particular one about go-arounds actually rasies an important safety issue.
Are pilots *afraid* of going around for any number of reasons?
For those of you in P121 flying - can you expect to be called on the carpet to explain WHY?
How about the P135 operators? Any difference?
For you P91 guys who fly owner/operators - have you ever been asked to explain your actions by 'the boss' if you had to go-around for any reason?

Recent U.S. Air Crashes Highlight Leading Cause of Deaths - Bloomberg

Interesting analogy from the article:

I completely understand the logic of "I can fix this" or "Git er dun". We pilots naturally want to make it happen without the "hiccup" of a go-around.
I have a few go-arounds under my belt under the 91, 135 and 121 realms.
I have always viewed that most of us are paid by the minute and when safety is a risk....why would you not go-around? You get paid more and be sure to secure the situation. Who cares if you get called in for the carpet dance.
Under 135, we simply fill out an online safety form explaining the details. You might get a call to clarify a few things, but nothing punitive.
Under 91, if the boss seriously questions your go-around, then you need not work for him.

There are only a few instances in which I think a go-around is more dangerous than landing.
- Aspen below mins. We had a crew go-around from 800ft because an aircraft crossed a hold short line. Had he known if that offending aircraft was at the other end, I think it would have been safer to land.
- Go-around into weather on the departure end. We have all shot those approaches where the briefing included, "if we go-around it's an immediate right/left turn due to weather". These are a case-by-case basis IMHO.

Just my $.02

yimke 09-06-2013 06:57 AM

121- I think a lot of companies have a no-fault/questions for a go-around. I don't think that people are afraid of a go-around at all. People just want to complete the mission/land the airplane. I think a lot of us suffer from get there-itis.

I can't even remember the last time I went around, outside of the sim. It has to be a couple years. Although, I do try to brief questionable approaches with WX nearby of windshear indications and go-around personal limitations.

2StgTurbine 09-06-2013 06:57 AM

I don't even think there is a realistic way my airline would even know I went around. I did a low altitude go around when tower cleared someone to line up and wait while we were .5 nm final so we went around. We landed 10 minutes later and never heard a word about it.

biigD 09-06-2013 07:29 AM

I think it's true that most pilots have a desire to get the job done without a hiccup, but I don't think there's an overall aversion to going around. Every airline probably has its small percentage of guys that are more likely to force the issue, but most of us shrug our shoulders and say, "Cool - another half hour of pay. Drinks are on me!"

I have never received a call about a go around. I don't think the company even tracks it.

iceman49 09-06-2013 08:26 AM

No and No for part 121

DirectTo 09-06-2013 10:11 AM

Went around once in 121. Never heard about it.

Gone around once with the boss onboard. Some trainer took forever and a day as I was doing S-turns down final. Boss said "bastards" and laughed.

Lab Rat 09-06-2013 12:41 PM

It's better to be questioned why you went around than why you did not.

Yazzoo 09-06-2013 03:26 PM

When in doubt, punch out.

Captain has to fill out a report at my airline for going around but they claim to have a "no-fault go around policy."

Lucky8888 09-06-2013 04:46 PM

91/135 - In our operation, go-around's are a no-fault. In fact, we encourage go-around's if there is any doubt in the approach.


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