SWA captain tells PAXs "We're going down!"
12-27-2013, 06:28 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO
Who were you talking to? You are kind of an ass to scare pax 3X earlier than they needed to be.
Actually, are heavy metal drivers allowed to slip an aircraft, or is it considered bad form and only in emergencies (e.g. Gimli Glider incident)?
I've felt S-turns in back but never an intentional slip.
Originally Posted by tonyp
Anything you read in the media must be taken with a grain of salt.
Originally Posted by Airhoss
Just curious....From a technical standpoint what is the difference between the often used and highly dramatic news media phrase "plummet" and the correct term descend?
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Maybe one of you super smart edumacted folks knows the secrets to all dramatic and awe inspiring "plummet"?
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Maybe one of you super smart edumacted folks knows the secrets to all dramatic and awe inspiring "plummet"?
12-27-2013, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by cardiomd
Yeah... Imagine if they started a slip right after you said that!
Actually, are heavy metal drivers allowed to slip an aircraft, or is it considered bad form and only in emergencies (e.g. Gimli Glider incident)?
I've felt S-turns in back but never an intentional slip.
+1
From your friend the overedumicated cardiomd, the word "plummet" derives from the latin root "plumbum" which means lead (similar to the origin of 'plumber', who was a fitter of lead pipes). So specifically, "plummetting" referred to dropping like a lead weight.
Actually, are heavy metal drivers allowed to slip an aircraft, or is it considered bad form and only in emergencies (e.g. Gimli Glider incident)?
I've felt S-turns in back but never an intentional slip.
+1
From your friend the overedumicated cardiomd, the word "plummet" derives from the latin root "plumbum" which means lead (similar to the origin of 'plumber', who was a fitter of lead pipes). So specifically, "plummetting" referred to dropping like a lead weight.
Thank you for that definition, I shall now carry a lead weight in my flight bag. If I ever find myself in need of making a plummet I shall toss the lead weight out the window and fly formation with it. Any input on the minimum plummet exit altitude for ground collision avoidance purposes?
To answer the slipping question;
You can in fact side slip a large long commercial jet aircraft. But it makes for an extremely unpleasant ride especially in the nose or the tail section. It isn't taught and it isn't practiced as a matter of normal operations. However back in my frieghter days I have done it several times in a DC-8 at slower speeds with an empty airplane, they side slip just fine!
We do use a forward slip all the time for cross wind landings in many big jets. However some like the big engined DC-8 don't allow it because of the danger of dragging the low slung engines on the ground in a slip.
In the 777-200 up to 31 kts (Or close to that, it's been a while) direct cross wind you slip the landing, above 31 knots you use a combination slip and crab and land in a partial crab up to the cross wind limit or 40 or 45 kts something like that (once again it's been a while and several airframes ago, since I flew the 777). Boeing says the inboard section of the flaps are the first to hit in too steep of a crab on the 777.
12-27-2013, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
Cardio,
Thank you for that definition, I shall now carry a lead weight in my flight bag. If I ever find myself in need of making a plummet I shall toss the lead weight out the window and fly formation with it. Any input on the minimum plummet exit altitude for ground collision avoidance purposes?
To answer the slipping question;
You can in fact side slip a large long commercial jet aircraft. But it makes for an extremely unpleasant ride especially in the nose or the tail section. It isn't taught and it isn't practiced as a matter of normal operations. However back in my frieghter days I have done it several times in a DC-8 at slower speeds with an empty airplane, they side slip just fine!
We do use a forward slip all the time for cross wind landings in many big jets. However some like the big engined DC-8 don't allow it because of the danger of dragging the low slung engines on the ground in a slip.
In the 777-200 up to 31 kts (Or close to that, it's been a while) direct cross wind you slip the landing, above 31 knots you use a combination slip and crab and land in a partial crab up to the cross wind limit or 40 or 45 kts something like that (once again it's been a while and several airframes ago, since I flew the 777). Boeing says the inboard section of the flaps are the first to hit in too steep of a crab on the 777.
Thank you for that definition, I shall now carry a lead weight in my flight bag. If I ever find myself in need of making a plummet I shall toss the lead weight out the window and fly formation with it. Any input on the minimum plummet exit altitude for ground collision avoidance purposes?
To answer the slipping question;
You can in fact side slip a large long commercial jet aircraft. But it makes for an extremely unpleasant ride especially in the nose or the tail section. It isn't taught and it isn't practiced as a matter of normal operations. However back in my frieghter days I have done it several times in a DC-8 at slower speeds with an empty airplane, they side slip just fine!
We do use a forward slip all the time for cross wind landings in many big jets. However some like the big engined DC-8 don't allow it because of the danger of dragging the low slung engines on the ground in a slip.
In the 777-200 up to 31 kts (Or close to that, it's been a while) direct cross wind you slip the landing, above 31 knots you use a combination slip and crab and land in a partial crab up to the cross wind limit or 40 or 45 kts something like that (once again it's been a while and several airframes ago, since I flew the 777). Boeing says the inboard section of the flaps are the first to hit in too steep of a crab on the 777.
12-27-2013, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
Cardio,
Thank you for that definition, I shall now carry a lead weight in my flight bag. If I ever find myself in need of making a plummet I shall toss the lead weight out the window and fly formation with it. Any input on the minimum plummet exit altitude for ground collision avoidance purposes?
To answer the slipping question;
You can in fact side slip a large long commercial jet aircraft. But it makes for an extremely unpleasant ride especially in the nose or the tail section. It isn't taught and it isn't practiced as a matter of normal operations. However back in my frieghter days I have done it several times in a DC-8 at slower speeds with an empty airplane, they side slip just fine!
We do use a forward slip all the time for cross wind landings in many big jets. However some like the big engined DC-8 don't allow it because of the danger of dragging the low slung engines on the ground in a slip.
In the 777-200 up to 31 kts (Or close to that, it's been a while) direct cross wind you slip the landing, above 31 knots you use a combination slip and crab and land in a partial crab up to the cross wind limit or 40 or 45 kts something like that (once again it's been a while and several airframes ago, since I flew the 777). Boeing says the inboard section of the flaps are the first to hit in too steep of a crab on the 777.
Thank you for that definition, I shall now carry a lead weight in my flight bag. If I ever find myself in need of making a plummet I shall toss the lead weight out the window and fly formation with it. Any input on the minimum plummet exit altitude for ground collision avoidance purposes?
To answer the slipping question;
You can in fact side slip a large long commercial jet aircraft. But it makes for an extremely unpleasant ride especially in the nose or the tail section. It isn't taught and it isn't practiced as a matter of normal operations. However back in my frieghter days I have done it several times in a DC-8 at slower speeds with an empty airplane, they side slip just fine!
We do use a forward slip all the time for cross wind landings in many big jets. However some like the big engined DC-8 don't allow it because of the danger of dragging the low slung engines on the ground in a slip.
In the 777-200 up to 31 kts (Or close to that, it's been a while) direct cross wind you slip the landing, above 31 knots you use a combination slip and crab and land in a partial crab up to the cross wind limit or 40 or 45 kts something like that (once again it's been a while and several airframes ago, since I flew the 777). Boeing says the inboard section of the flaps are the first to hit in too steep of a crab on the 777.
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12-27-2013, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ClarenceOver
How many feet in a Liter?
I am familiar with the incident thanks the reference though.
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