Malaysian 777 missing
03-11-2014, 01:06 PM
#191
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[QUOTE=slinger;1599605]
Are you a pilot? If you don't get it, you must be a career F/O: Stuart Smalley - Daily Affirmations - YouTube
Sarcasm, irony, and self deprecation. Part of the CRM tool kit.
For god's sake, if you get a call to give an interview on TV, and the idiot interviewer asks you "do these new planes fly themselves"? DON'T SAY YES!!!
The 777 does not fly itself - WE fly the aircraft. We control and manage the crew and the plane's automation. We understand what automation means. The public doesn't. Telling the public, who has no real idea what our job is about (with the exception of watching the movie "Airplane"), that the planes fly themselves is ridiculous.
I just watched some ex-777 captain agree with Greta Van Susteren that, yes, many pilots let the plane fly itself and turn on the autopilot at 400 feet. Sheesh. Take some pride and talk about how automation augments our natural god-like aviating abilities. We don't need to let the public think a monkey could do our job as long as he's fed bananas. If we keep this up, they'll be able to replace us with drones and chimps.
Hithe job.[/QUOTE
God like? Lol. Bit of a God complex, mate?
The 777 does not fly itself - WE fly the aircraft. We control and manage the crew and the plane's automation. We understand what automation means. The public doesn't. Telling the public, who has no real idea what our job is about (with the exception of watching the movie "Airplane"), that the planes fly themselves is ridiculous.
I just watched some ex-777 captain agree with Greta Van Susteren that, yes, many pilots let the plane fly itself and turn on the autopilot at 400 feet. Sheesh. Take some pride and talk about how automation augments our natural god-like aviating abilities. We don't need to let the public think a monkey could do our job as long as he's fed bananas. If we keep this up, they'll be able to replace us with drones and chimps.
Hithe job.[/QUOTE
God like? Lol. Bit of a God complex, mate?
Sarcasm, irony, and self deprecation. Part of the CRM tool kit.
03-11-2014, 01:23 PM
#192
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Originally Posted by Ftrooppilot
Pilot left cockpit to visit restroom. Radicalized FO locks the door and says "my airplane, " pulls CBs, turns off switches and goes about his "thing" - whatever was planned.
03-11-2014, 01:24 PM
#193
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Originally Posted by pokey9554
I have 0 hours of Boeing time, so I may not have any idea what I'm talking about. I would imagine the big Boeings would have a last resort emergency electric generation source like a RAT, ADG, HMG, etc.
Of course anything is possible. Just my $0.02.
Of course anything is possible. Just my $0.02.
03-11-2014, 01:35 PM
#194
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Originally Posted by savall
If the facts in that article are to be believed, then there is definitely something sketchy going on here. That westerly course would not be on the flight path to return to origin and also not to Beijing. If the radar suggests the airplane changed altitude, maintained, and had transponder turned off, that would suggest someone was intentionally controlling the airplane in a non standard method.
What the hell
I imagine this data may in fact be some other movement since they can't positively identify it as the 777.
What the hell
I imagine this data may in fact be some other movement since they can't positively identify it as the 777.Diminishes the primary target/Malacca Strait rumor. Quote from the article:
A senior Malaysia air force official Tuesday rejected media reports that military radar had picked up signals from the jet over the Strait of Malacca. The official said the plane dropped off radar midway between Vietnamese and Malaysian airspace as it was apparently turning back from its original course.
Last edited by EasternATC; 03-11-2014 at 01:39 PM. Reason: Added the quote.
03-11-2014, 01:47 PM
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I believe that the 4 hijacker, took the airplane to small Island where all are ok, but they might kill paxs in order to get their demands.
it just my opinion of what I believe of what happened to this flight.
I just hope that the airlines and the World STARTS checking for STOLEN PASSPORT, so this will never happens again. Only USA, Great Britain, and the EU are the only ones that check that database of stolen passport.
Just sayin that this could be a terrorist attacks.. ( my two cents)
it just my opinion of what I believe of what happened to this flight.
I just hope that the airlines and the World STARTS checking for STOLEN PASSPORT, so this will never happens again. Only USA, Great Britain, and the EU are the only ones that check that database of stolen passport.
Just sayin that this could be a terrorist attacks.. ( my two cents)
03-11-2014, 02:16 PM
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If there isn't foul play but instead pilots doing their best with an electrical issue to get to safety and then made a perfect landing somewhere, the pilots would've been able to activate the ELTs.
Now I don't know about portable ELTs but the aircraft ELT should be one of them fancy 406 hz GPS based ELTs shouldn't it? And I thought portable ones were as well.
When I was managing a corporate jet we dropped it off for maintenance in Nashville. We had had the ELT swapped for a new 406 one earlier, regardless, maintenance there tested it just like you tested an old ELT. Which was what you were not supposed to do.
On the drive home I get a call from a 757 area code and thinking it was family I answered. It was a USAF Major or Captain at Langley calling about the ELT having been activated at the Nashville airport. She was very nice about it.
Had a long conversation.
Told another chief pilot about that and he said it happened to him as well, but he got a call from a Lt Col who was not very nice.
Now I don't know about portable ELTs but the aircraft ELT should be one of them fancy 406 hz GPS based ELTs shouldn't it? And I thought portable ones were as well.
When I was managing a corporate jet we dropped it off for maintenance in Nashville. We had had the ELT swapped for a new 406 one earlier, regardless, maintenance there tested it just like you tested an old ELT. Which was what you were not supposed to do.
On the drive home I get a call from a 757 area code and thinking it was family I answered. It was a USAF Major or Captain at Langley calling about the ELT having been activated at the Nashville airport. She was very nice about it.
Had a long conversation. Told another chief pilot about that and he said it happened to him as well, but he got a call from a Lt Col who was not very nice.
03-11-2014, 02:17 PM
#197
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Perhaps the aircraft was commandeered and the hijackers had educated themselves on how to make a 777 go dark, and didn't spend enough time learning how to fly it.
That would still beg serious questions....
That would still beg serious questions....
03-11-2014, 02:35 PM
#198
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Just can't win. Sometimes planes crash, and a world of rescue teams can't find the craft.
Sometimes planes crash, and even when the world of rescue teams know exactly where it is, governments deny other countries the option to help and postpone rescue until the next day and let survivors die.
Sometimes planes crash, and even when the world of rescue teams know exactly where it is, governments deny other countries the option to help and postpone rescue until the next day and let survivors die.
03-11-2014, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
If it's underwater, the signal would almost certainly be blocked.
03-11-2014, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Kingbird87
I flew the SAR for KAL 007 and we picked up the ELT for five days on that mission. It sounded pretty pitiful on day five, but we had it pinpointed right SSW of Ostrov Moneron Island off of Sakhalin. Soviets retrieved it.
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