Malaysian 777 missing
#411
Been sitting on the sidelines just reading this thread, but I find it highly unlikely an aircraft of that size would be able to penetrate anywhere near a high profile target within the US. I mean there are so many radar facilities that would have to miss and/or otherwise ignore it.
Africa is the exception here because of minimal radar coverage and a lack of intercept ability, but after that what route could these would-be terrorists use to sneak into US airspace?
Just hypothesizing here...
Africa is the exception here because of minimal radar coverage and a lack of intercept ability, but after that what route could these would-be terrorists use to sneak into US airspace?
Just hypothesizing here...
9/11 worked because they were already inside the ADIZ, they were legit commercial flights to start with, there was mass confusion, and no precedent or standing orders allowing airliner shootdown. Nonetheless a flight of F-15's almost caught up with the plane that hit the second tower.
They would have to fly high for most of the flight for fuel burn, but could conceivably go to the deck to avoid ATC radar for the last bit. Much tougher for an inbound to avoid military radar though...especially since every cruiser and destroyer in the navy has Aegis, and they can all easily switch that on at sea or in port.
If one knew exactly where there might be thin spots in NORAD coverage you might be able to slip in under the wire but how would the bad guys know if or where any hypothetical holes exist?
But the baddies may not know what they don't know, so I'm not saying they wouldn't try. Their odds would be better if the world was still under the assumption that the airplane crashed.
To me this is starting to smell like hijacking, possibly with the intent of hiding the plane for later WMD duty, followed by a flight 91 scenario splashing the plane in the IO.
Last edited by rickair7777; 03-16-2014 at 07:24 AM.
#412
Even if someone here knows, lets not talk at this level of detail. At least not until the media reports it.
#413
Incredible, 413 posts of theories, guesses and hunches, including some racial undertones and a witch-hunt mentality. One thing we can all agree on is that we can't find it and we don't know for sure what happened to it.
And yes, sir, "some-thing-is-wrong" with your cave like, intolerant mentality.
And yes, sir, "some-thing-is-wrong" with your cave like, intolerant mentality.
Last edited by TheFly; 03-16-2014 at 07:36 AM.
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It would be really tough. Safe to assume that NORAD is now sitting up straight and paying attention until this aircraft is positively located.
9/11 worked because they were already inside the ADIZ, they were legit commercial flights to start with, there was mass confusion, and no precedent or standing orders allowing airliner shootdown. Nonetheless a flight of F-15's almost caught up with the plane that hit the second tower.
They would have to fly high for most of the flight for fuel burn, but could conceivably go to the deck to avoid ATC radar for the last bit. Much tougher for an inbound to avoid military radar though...especially since every cruiser and destroyer in the navy has Aegis, and they can all easily switch that on at sea or in port.
If one knew exactly where there might be thin spots in NORAD coverage you might be able to slip in under the wire but how would the bad guys know if or where any hypothetical holes exist?
But the baddies may not know what they don't know, so I'm not saying they wouldn't try. Their odds would be better if the world was still under the assumption that the airplane crashed.
To me this is starting to smell like hijacking, possibly with the intent of hiding the plane for later WMD duty, followed by a flight 91 scenario splashing the plane in the IO.
9/11 worked because they were already inside the ADIZ, they were legit commercial flights to start with, there was mass confusion, and no precedent or standing orders allowing airliner shootdown. Nonetheless a flight of F-15's almost caught up with the plane that hit the second tower.
They would have to fly high for most of the flight for fuel burn, but could conceivably go to the deck to avoid ATC radar for the last bit. Much tougher for an inbound to avoid military radar though...especially since every cruiser and destroyer in the navy has Aegis, and they can all easily switch that on at sea or in port.
If one knew exactly where there might be thin spots in NORAD coverage you might be able to slip in under the wire but how would the bad guys know if or where any hypothetical holes exist?
But the baddies may not know what they don't know, so I'm not saying they wouldn't try. Their odds would be better if the world was still under the assumption that the airplane crashed.
To me this is starting to smell like hijacking, possibly with the intent of hiding the plane for later WMD duty, followed by a flight 91 scenario splashing the plane in the IO.
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Asking questions is one thing. Jumping to conclusions is another. There are so few facts in this case that any conclusions beyond, "it didn't land where it was supposed to" and "something happened to the transponders" is irresponsible. It was only recently confirmed that AN airplane flew west over the islands that many believe most likely is MH370. Beyond that, not a single person on this board is qualified to speculate on intent, motive, or responsible parties since there is literally zero information from what happened during the flight. I would prefer we all stick to the facts because the "tin-foil hat" people are making this counter-productive.
For those that think Pakistan or Iran is responsible, wouldn't it just make more sense for a national actor to just buy an old widebody (i.e. DC-10) to turn into a bomb rather than going through an elaborate hijacking?
For those that think Pakistan or Iran is responsible, wouldn't it just make more sense for a national actor to just buy an old widebody (i.e. DC-10) to turn into a bomb rather than going through an elaborate hijacking?
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A Cuban Air Force pilot flew a MIG23 from Cuba to Key West and no one saw him coming until a Navy pilot in the pattern asked if the MIG that just cut him off was cleared to land. Later the same pilot flew a Cessna back to Cuba and picked up his family and returned to the US without being detected.
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