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Old 08-01-2014, 05:57 PM
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No, I distinctly remember CNN saying that TWO transports were shot down prior to the 777. Then two SU25's after the 777. Of course, CNN uses a private pilot who flies a Cirrus as an "aviation expert", so maybe its not such a great source. Your points are well taken about the altitude, and typical commercial air routes that any qualified air defense officer should have been aware of. As far as the safety of a flight over an active war zone is concerned; I thought we learned from the shootdown of Col Francis Gary Powers in a U2 in 1960 (when SAMs were far less capable) that altitude doesn't mean SH(*%^T as far as protection from SAMs goes. Were talking about SAMs here not AAA. If routing can be changed for storms and congestion, it sure as hell can be changed for SAMs! Bottom line, Ukranian ATC screwed those people by letting them fly over an area where planes were getting shot down!
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Old 08-01-2014, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Learjet FO View Post
Bottom line, Ukranian ATC screwed those people by letting them fly over an area where planes were getting shot down!
Even though I believe the airlines, dispatchers and pilots share in the responsibility, you have a valid point. Local ATC probably had more SA on the recent events and threats.
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Old 08-02-2014, 08:43 AM
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Airborne troops don't get dropped from FL350 (unless they want to end up hypoxic and scattered across miles and miles.)
You mean like HALO?
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Old 08-02-2014, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes View Post
You mean like HALO?
Sort of a big difference between some SF operators doing that and the "airborne troops" referenced earlier.
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Old 08-03-2014, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Learjet FO View Post
As far as the safety of a flight over an active war zone is concerned; I thought we learned from the shootdown of Col Francis Gary Powers in a U2 in 1960 (when SAMs were far less capable) that altitude doesn't mean SH(*%^T as far as protection from SAMs goes.
He was off profile (altitude). He should have never been as low as he was.
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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender View Post
He was off profile (altitude). He should have never been as low as he was.
Maybe, but they designed the SA-2 specifically to shoot down the U2 and RB-57.

It scored the first destruction of an enemy aircraft by a surface-to-air missile, shooting down a Taiwanese Martin RB-57D Canberra over China, on October 7, 1959, hitting it with three V-750 (1D) missiles at an altitude of 20 km (65,600 ft). The success was attributed to Chinese fighters at the time in order to keep the S-75 program secret.[2]

This system first gained international fame when an S-75 battery, using the newer, longer-range and higher-altitude V-750VN (13D) missile shot down the U-2 of Francis Gary Powers overflying the Soviet Union on May 1, 1960.[3] The system was also deployed in Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis, where on October 27, 1962, it shot down a U-2 overflying Cuba flown by Rudolf Anderson, almost precipitating nuclear war.[4] North Vietnamese forces used the S-75 extensively during the Vietnam War to defend Hanoi and Haiphong. It has also been locally produced in the People's Republic of China using the names HQ-1 and HQ-2.[5]
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