Second door-maybe now it's not too expensive
03-29-2015, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NorthRoader907
The Ab Initio model strikes again. There is no substitute for the crucible of real-world experience to ferret out incompetence and craziness, before the stakes are raised to hundreds of lives.
The question the media should be asking is, why is a 600-hour pilot flying an Airbus, how much of that time was PIC, how many more Euros would it have cost the passengers to have two actual pilots at the controls, instead of a training Captain and a pupil?
The question the media should be asking is, why is a 600-hour pilot flying an Airbus, how much of that time was PIC, how many more Euros would it have cost the passengers to have two actual pilots at the controls, instead of a training Captain and a pupil?
especially since they are much better paid and don't have to think about how to feed themselves at the end of the day...
03-29-2015, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by NorthRoader907
The Ab Initio model strikes again. There is no substitute for the crucible of real-world experience to ferret out incompetence and craziness, before the stakes are raised to hundreds of lives.
The question the media should be asking is, why is a 600-hour pilot flying an Airbus, how much of that time was PIC, how many more Euros would it have cost the passengers to have two actual pilots at the controls, instead of a training Captain and a pupil?
The question the media should be asking is, why is a 600-hour pilot flying an Airbus, how much of that time was PIC, how many more Euros would it have cost the passengers to have two actual pilots at the controls, instead of a training Captain and a pupil?
03-29-2015, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Selfmade92
yeah right, because jetblue didn't have a pilot that went complete crazy, hours and training had NOTHING to do with it. European Pilots are just as capable (if not more) at flying than the US ones...
But only sustained real world pressure gives nutcases maximum opportunity to expose themselves. Military entry-level training (ie boot camp) works pretty good too.
03-29-2015, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
selfmade 92,
Check your facts, they are not better paid.
GF
Check your facts, they are not better paid.
GF
You will make that at Tui, Condor, LH Cityline (yes flying CRJs and Embraers), Germanwings (same salary as LH ~95k/y first year just more legs to be flown and less benefits).
Of course there are lower paying gigs like Air Berline starting out at around 50k/year USD, at least not poverty wages.... but who wants to go there right now.
There is NO regional model in Germany as you know it in the USA.
EDIT: and yes the market is flooded right now so you can expect not to be hired right now in Europe, regardles of hours or experience.
03-29-2015, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Selfmade92
Tell me where in the US you will start out at ~70k/year USD? Fresh out of flightschool, either Ab-Initio MPL or frozen ATPL with ~250h?
You will make that at Tui, Condor, LH Cityline (yes flying CRJs and Embraers), Germanwings (same salary as LH ~95k/y first year just more legs to be flown and less benefits).
Of course there are lower paying gigs like Air Berline starting out at around 50k/year USD, at least not poverty wages.... but who wants to go there right now.
There is NO regional model in Germany as you know it in the USA.
EDIT: and yes the market is flooded right now so you can expect not to be hired right now in Europe, regardles of hours or experience.
You will make that at Tui, Condor, LH Cityline (yes flying CRJs and Embraers), Germanwings (same salary as LH ~95k/y first year just more legs to be flown and less benefits).
Of course there are lower paying gigs like Air Berline starting out at around 50k/year USD, at least not poverty wages.... but who wants to go there right now.
There is NO regional model in Germany as you know it in the USA.
EDIT: and yes the market is flooded right now so you can expect not to be hired right now in Europe, regardles of hours or experience.
03-29-2015, 09:28 PM
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To be clear, people want a double-barrier door as a solution to.................. prevent one pilot from crashing a plane while the other is in the bathroom?
Our single fortified locked door and two-crew in flight deck concept has served well since 9/11 in the US.
Our single fortified locked door and two-crew in flight deck concept has served well since 9/11 in the US.
03-30-2015, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
To be clear, people want a double-barrier door as a solution to.................. prevent one pilot from crashing a plane while the other is in the bathroom?
Our single fortified locked door and two-crew in flight deck concept has served well since 9/11 in the US.
Our single fortified locked door and two-crew in flight deck concept has served well since 9/11 in the US.
I agree. I was astounded when I found the "always 2 people in the cockpit" rule was not followed in many other countries. While the argument could be made that the "2" rule will not 100% prevent something like this horrible event, it would probably reduce it's likelihood.
03-30-2015, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by glasspilot
I agree. I was astounded when I found the "always 2 people in the cockpit" rule was not followed in many other countries. While the argument could be made that the "2" rule will not 100% prevent something like this horrible event, it would probably reduce it's likelihood.
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