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Old 03-30-2015, 03:00 PM
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To be clear, people want a double-barrier door as a solution to.................. prevent one pilot from crashing a plane while the other is in the bathroom?



Our single fortified locked door and two-crew in flight deck concept has served well since 9/11 in the US.
Worked for almost 100 years before 9/11 too.

Shyguy, the other benefits to the two-door system are no need for the silly drink-cart barricade that the FA's do on some flights when the single door is opened, or the "vulnerable period" where the one guy leaves and the FA is entering, etc. When outer door locked inner door can be always bypassed preventing lockout. I'm not necessarily a fan, but I do see the possible logic.
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Old 03-31-2015, 10:35 AM
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You guys are looking at this all wrong. What we need is security which is portable, practical and doesn't prevent a pilot getting back into the flightdeck.

I propose each pilot be equipped with one of these: http://chivalloot.weebly.com/uploads...263534.gif?280

CNN will probably pick this up because it is such a good idea.
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Old 03-31-2015, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by cardiomd View Post
Worked for almost 100 years before 9/11 too.

Shyguy, the other benefits to the two-door system are no need for the silly drink-cart barricade that the FA's do on some flights when the single door is opened, or the "vulnerable period" where the one guy leaves and the FA is entering, etc. When outer door locked inner door can be always bypassed preventing lockout. I'm not necessarily a fan, but I do see the possible logic.
No it didn't work. The door was compromised easily (flimsy back then) and hijackings occurred frequently.

The only difference was before 9/11, planes were not used to fly into buildings by hijackers.

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Old 03-31-2015, 11:28 AM
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Agreed. This 27 yr old had dated one flight attendant and one teacher. From what those two have stated publicly he was heavily insecure. Had there been a FA right there with him, his insecurities would probably have prevented him from carrying out the crash. (Just conjecture) but based on the facts presented about him so far, it's very plausible he wouldn't have done this with a FA present.
....perhaps, BUT someone unstable will usually find a way.
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Old 04-02-2015, 06:03 AM
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....perhaps, BUT someone unstable will usually find a way.
It would have been nice if he had done it alone, in a glider.

The fact that he chose to kill 150 innocent people tells me he either hated his employer, or he hated innocent people, or perhaps both.

I'm wondering if we are not hearing 'the rest of the story' from his employer, perhaps they were going to fire him after this trip? Or put him on medical leave? It seems as if they did something to really pizz him off, or maybe it was the girlfriend who did, but I would think he'd take her with him if that were the case.
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I can foresee a future where each pilot has a mode control panel and in order to make inputs, both pilot actions must agree before the plane reacts. And if during cruise a pilot goes to the bathroom and an action with immediate response is required, TCAS alert for example, the flight computer will allow one set of inputs. Or perhaps a setup similar to that except the seats have a weight sensor and can tell when someone is in both seats.
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Old 04-04-2015, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy View Post
No it didn't work. The door was compromised easily (flimsy back then) and hijackings occurred frequently.
Yes, it did work. How many people died in TWA 847 versus Germanwings 9525? Did you ever see Testrake's interviews after the incident?
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No where, and rightly so. A 250 hour pilot has no business flying paying passengers. Multiple fatal accidents over the last few years have proven this. Ab-initio pilots have zero experience to fall back on and there is a growing list of accidents that supports this.
Quality over quantity, but America seems to have a huge problem with that... There's a reason the FAA was in Bremen and was extremely surprised about the quality LH trainees go through


Most of today's US pilots wouldn't even be selected for LH flightschool since... well US citizens are missing a lot in education...


You guys think so highly of yourself but are lacking general physics, chemistry, general knowledge etc...

There's a reason the whole world thinks badly about the US and hates you guys... Ignorance for one...
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This is always a fun one ..

While taxiing out in sequence behind a Lufthansa airliner at Frankfurt, a C-130 crew noticed an orange "Remove before flight" streamer hanging out of the Lufthansa nose wheel well (their nose gear locking pin was still installed). Not wanting to cause too much embarrassment by going thru the controller, the 130 crew simply called the Lufthansa aircraft on the tower frequency: "Lufthansa aircraft, Herky 23." No reply.

They repeated the transmission and again there was no reply. Instead, the Lufthansa pilot called the tower and asked the tower to tell the Herky crew that "the professional pilots of Lufthansa do not engage in unprofessional conversations over the radio."

The 130 pilot quickly replied, "Frankfurt tower, can you please relay to the professional pilots of the Lufthansa aircraft that their nose gear pin is still installed?"

I'll stack my military training up against your ATCA and Bremem training any day, Hans.
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Originally Posted by Selfmade92 View Post
Quality over quantity, but America seems to have a huge problem with that... There's a reason the FAA was in Bremen and was extremely surprised about the quality LH trainees go through


Most of today's US pilots wouldn't even be selected for LH flightschool since... well US citizens are missing a lot in education...


You guys think so highly of yourself but are lacking general physics, chemistry, general knowledge etc...

There's a reason the whole world thinks badly about the US and hates you guys... Ignorance for one...
Thank you Colonel Klink for that wonderful diatribe demonstrating your general knowledge of physics, chemistry, etc. Now go to your bunker and cool off your schnitzengrubers.
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