Second door-maybe now it's not too expensive
03-26-2015, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by APC225
For all planes. El Al figured this out a long time ago.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-landing.html
This is what can happen when the old man's prostrate impinged bladder is screaming at him to take a pee break and the F/C FA say's "I'm in the middle of ....., give me a couple minutes..
My sympathies to all on board. Fortunately, none of them ever knew what was happening until it was done.
03-26-2015, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by BMEP100
This is what can happen when the old man's prostrate impinged bladder is screaming at him to take a pee break and the F/C FA say's "I'm in the middle of ....., give me a couple minutes..
My sympathies to all on board. Fortunately, none of them ever knew what was happening until it was done.
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03-26-2015, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by BMEP100
The first one has to work every time.
Moment Delta Air Lines pilot told passengers he'd been locked out of cockpit revealed | Daily Mail Online
Moment Delta Air Lines pilot told passengers he'd been locked out of cockpit revealed | Daily Mail Online
The old reason for having two hardened doors was so that at no time would a passenger have access to the cockpit. The outer door between the lav and the passengers is closed and locked before the inner door between the cockpit and the lav is opened. There would always be a locked door between the passengers and the cockpit.
The new reason for having two hardened doors is so that the inner door can remain open during the bathroom break so that a pilot cannot be locked out of the cockpit, whether due to mechanical failure or hostile act. A third person would always be in the secure area to make sure the door remains open.
This would likely require a seat reconfiguration to allow a hardened wall and door somewhere between the lav and the first row of seats.
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03-26-2015, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by APC225
Only if it's closed.
The old reason for having two hardened doors was so that at no time would a passenger have access to the cockpit. The outer door between the lav and the passengers is closed and locked before the inner door between the cockpit and the lav is opened. There would always be a locked door between the passengers and the cockpit.
The new reason for having two hardened doors is so that the inner door can remain open during the bathroom break so that a pilot cannot be locked out of the cockpit, whether due to mechanical failure or hostile act. A third person would always be in the secure area to make sure the door remains open.
This would likely require a seat reconfiguration to allow a hardened wall and door somewhere between the lav and the first row of seats.
The old reason for having two hardened doors was so that at no time would a passenger have access to the cockpit. The outer door between the lav and the passengers is closed and locked before the inner door between the cockpit and the lav is opened. There would always be a locked door between the passengers and the cockpit.
The new reason for having two hardened doors is so that the inner door can remain open during the bathroom break so that a pilot cannot be locked out of the cockpit, whether due to mechanical failure or hostile act. A third person would always be in the secure area to make sure the door remains open.
This would likely require a seat reconfiguration to allow a hardened wall and door somewhere between the lav and the first row of seats.
In this case, the remaining pilot could still close and lock the inner door with the same effect.
03-26-2015, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by BMEP100
So the inner door would still have to be impenetrable, so others could still use the forward lav, when the pilots aren't.
Originally Posted by BMEP100
In this case, the remaining pilot could still close and lock the inner door with the same effect.
03-26-2015, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by av8rdude
Perhaps the doors could be interlocked somehow so that the actual cockpit door could not be locked whenever the door blocking access to the lav area is shut.
03-26-2015, 08:22 AM
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The Ab Initio model strikes again. There is no substitute for the crucible of real-world experience to ferret out incompetence and craziness, before the stakes are raised to hundreds of lives.
The question the media should be asking is, why is a 600-hour pilot flying an Airbus, how much of that time was PIC, how many more Euros would it have cost the passengers to have two actual pilots at the controls, instead of a training Captain and a pupil?
The question the media should be asking is, why is a 600-hour pilot flying an Airbus, how much of that time was PIC, how many more Euros would it have cost the passengers to have two actual pilots at the controls, instead of a training Captain and a pupil?
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