shackone

Here is the retirement schedule for AA:

Year Total
10/14/2006 - 12/31/2006 60
01/01/2007 - 12/31/2007 281
01/01/2008 - 12/31/2008 402
01/01/2009 - 12/31/2009 405
01/01/2010 - 12/31/2010 363
01/01/2011 - 12/31/2011 318
01/01/2012 - 12/31/2012 312
01/01/2013 - 12/31/2013 388
01/01/2014 - 12/31/2014 478
01/01/2015 - 12/31/2015 571
01/01/2016 - 12/31/2016 628
01/01/2017 - 12/31/2017 683
01/01/2018 - 12/31/2018 733
01/01/2019 - 12/31/2019 733
01/01/2020 - 12/31/2020 744
01/01/2021 - 12/31/2021 718
01/01/2022 - 12/31/2022 595
01/01/2023 - 12/31/2023 503
01/01/2024 - 12/31/2024 479
01/01/2025 - 12/31/2025 412
01/01/2026 - 12/31/2026 442

You can see that there is no 'Vietnam era' bulge...that's over and done with. The increase in the 2018 area is due to the increased hiring in the mid to late 80s and typify the hiring trends then of hiring ex-mil folks.

Andy

I've heard about TWA FA recall rights before. Can anyone discuss this in further detail? (Number of furloughed FAs, Recall rights, estimated cost to the company).
I've found it odd that AMR continues to reduce block hours while other carriers are increasing block hours. I can only imagine that it would be a significant cost item to recall TWA FAs.
Also, have the number of hrs worked/mo increased for AMR FAs?

Andy

Shackone, thanks for posting AMR retirement numbers. The 2007 number caught me by surprise; I was expecting it to be ~400.
As a comparison, here's UAL's retirement figures using the 7/1/2006 Seniority list:
2006 141 (7/1-12/31)
2007 263
2008 234
2009 231
2010 201
2011 167
2012 228
2013 245
2014 237
2015 270
2016 331
2017 307
2018 381
2019 355
2020 463
2021 506
2022 506
2023 575
2024 574
2025 538
2026 560
2027 408
2028 300
2029 226
2030 153


Do furloughees gain seniority for pay purposes while on furlough? If not, I think that many of the furloughees that have gone to other carriers will not return. I thnk that most that have gone to UPS & FedEx will stay there. Likewise, many will be just about to hold Captain at LUV when they are recalled.

B757200ER

NO, not at AA. No years-of-service while on furlough, although that was a tenet on recent section 6 openers.

So far, AA pilots still have A/B plan + 401k, retirement is intact. But, it could still be frozen or affected in some other way down the road.

As far as TWA F/As, that is NOT driving the company at present, but they would save money if very senior ex-TWA F/As came back via recall and either took retirement with health and passes or worked at max longevity, which they all had. They'll have to recall F/As on day soon, and some former TWA F/As will get called, IMHO.

ChrisH

On "another board", it was said that 500+ will retire each year, for the for seeable future.

aa73

Hello Andy,

Yes, it is definitely odd, if not downright maddening, that AA has been reducing its schedule over the last two years while everyone else has been picking it up. We've been told it's because AA wants to build up a big cash position to order new aircraft, buy another airline's assets, or pay down our huge debt ($18B or so...) Also, Wall Street loves shrinkage. The more jets we park, the more our stock goes up, the bigger the management $$$ bonuses.

AA has been trying to hold off on recalls for two years now, while furloughing "off the top." Since they were in shrinkage mode, they would just announce 25 jets being parked per six months to correspond to the retirements. Now, however, it appears that they've shrunk down to where they want to be. Hence, the recalls - they don't want to park any more jets, I guess.

Like you pointed out, 10 recalls/month won't cover attrition. I suspect that number will go up. But it's a start. And it also covers their a$$ in case something major happens, like age 65, contract concessions that require fewer pilots, etc. In which case, 10/month would be for growth! (hopefully not.)

The TWA/AA furloughed f/a situation is very unfortunate, as thousands of our coworkers on the street are slowly losing their recall rights. The most senior group will lose their recall rights in summer 2008. At that point, AA hopes to have a new contract in place, at which point they will launch a massive expansion, announce new aircraft orders, and recall lilke there's no tomorrow, if not outright hiring off the street. This of course is conditional on the economy and the potential for more terrorist attacks, war with N Korea or Iran (hopefully not!) and oil prices.

What can I tell you - it's a start, and some dearly awaited good news, for our furloughees, and for yours truly (2nd from the bottom system-wide.) The bypass rate will intially go higher as we recall more and more. Those that will come back almost definitely are our flowbacks at AE. The rest, who knows. Most of my furloughed friends have found good employment at CAL, Fedex, UPS, Netjets, Jetblue, etc. Most of them will bypass, I know that. It's gonna be interesting. I'm just glad AA finally jumped on the recall bandwagon.

Stay tuned!

73

Gman

Good Post - nice to see some people have facts to share.
I agree, expect for those poor souls slugging it out at American Evil, nobody who has moved on to good airlines like JetBlue will go for the first call.
To be the most junior, LGA based, S80 guy- again.

preludespeeder

Well the thing to think about also is that some of those pilots are probably working at other airlines and have no desire to go back so the recall will probably be for every 5 called one comes back.

preludespeeder

Well the thing to think about also is that some of those pilots are probably working at other airlines and have no desire to go back so the recall will probably be for every 5 called one comes back.

hatetobreakit2u

does anyone have the CAL retirement numbers?