My understanding is that any AA pilot on property when the 13.5 equity establishment period(not the official term I know) is still eligible to receive their share even if they retire before its distributed. So I don't think that's impacting their decision-making process.

I don't get the "selfish" remark though. The length of one's career is solely up to the individual and a personal choice. Whether one chooses to retire early or remain till age 65 shouldn't label one as selfish! They do have a plan, but others don't get to decide what that is or should be!

Selfish has to do with any mainline pilot voting to outsource boatloads of flying to 'regionals' flying 86,000 jets on mainline routes. Thinking about themselves instead of people in their 20s and 30s trying to establish themselves in this career.

IE, sustaining thousands of express/eagle/connection jobs at food stamp wages, in order to sustain 'mainline' wages.

The shrinking of the middle class, pulling up the rope as they call it.

We are always stronger when we work together, instead of letting management fragment us apart.

Not sure I get your point. The legal retirement age is 65yo. Are you suggesting it shouldn't be a personal choice and right for a pilot to decide when he will retire and that to follow someone's else notion of when he should retire is being selfish?

Sounds like the "get out of my seat" arguments we've heard through the years.

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I don't think anyone's scope clause allows 86,000 RJ's. I'll have to check, but that sounds a bit on the high-side. As for the rest of your post, that fight was forfeited long ago. Seeing how you feel this way, my advice is to put your thrust-lever hand where your mouth is and pull it back and walk away from the beloved RJ. Many pilots feel differently than you do and advocate more and larger jets at their regionals, thus there's plenty of "selling out" going around.

86000 lbs weight

DAL, UAL, AMR, and LCC all have that limitation of 86,000 pounds for regional airplanes. This allows E170/E175 and CRJ 900s. Our E175s actually have a MTOW of 89,000 pounds, for which there is a cutout in DAL's scope language for our 36 airplanes that were a part of the merger of NWA/CPZ with Delta Air Lines. CPZ was by default because they were wholly owned by NWA at the time of merger.

I also agree with nwa757, as do the vast amount of pilots here in regional pilot purgatory. As long as mainline pilots sell out the industry and are selfish and greedy, we (the regionals) will exist. Most of the regional pilots want mainline jobs that pay decently and have MUCH better benefits than any regional.

Ahh, yeah dude...........I get all that. My "86,000 RJ" reference was sarcasm, but it apparently sailed over the heads of a few of you guys.

Who would have a scope clause allowing 86,000 RJ's ?

It's not only always someone elses fault, it's apparently someone elses sole responsibility to solve the problem. If it wasn't also for the hordes of pilots flocking to the shinest RJ available and even jumping regionals for the fastest upgrades like Go Jets with no consideration of what it pays, we wouldn't have this problem.

Since you're not part of the solution either, I think you and your pal should refrain from throwing rocks at others on this.