who said anything about party? And who said anything about just the office of president. I’d bet 90% of American voters would have their heads explode if they walked into the booth and it was just names without a party next to them. Might actually have to do some research and candidates might actually have to stand for something other than an outdated party platform.

I gotta get to work on making the meme, for now this will have to cut it;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IU8WwjGij0

That was fantastic Carr! Well said Joker, at least for the aviation career and group type compensated “professionals.”

Professionals such as Doctors (specialists) and Lawyers negotiate their salaries based upon experience/longevity and not so much group think. They don’t fall to the bottom every time they shift jobs/locations. Father was a neurosurgeon which is a totally different lifestyle.

As a whole - we are independent contractors bound by a seniority system; therefore, we lose our minds. Most do the same type of work/flying and are not compensated on their true experience level individually. Many wish they were, some lucky they didn’t.
Still fortunate to be in this community having many folks on the outside looking in based upon how long my vehicle stays parked at home, especially over the holidays.

I think you meant you put in 33% of your FDP pay into your 401k. Company does not put ADDITIONAL 33% into your 401k. You don’t get your FDP pay and an additional 33% from the company. You are. confused about that.

You are correct.

So if you aren’t inferring one side over the other and both sides side with big corporations, who exactly are you insinuating we, as pilots, should have voted for? I still remember the last one siding with a foreign airline by not enforcing a flag of convenience ban. How did that help US pilots?


https://www.politico.com/agenda/stor...n-trade-000136

I think this thread is good as most of us are Union Pilots working under a CBA. It's all about pattern bargaining. I am pretty surprised to see the high pay of some of the ULCC's. We are deep in negotiations at UA, and this thread offers some more insight than just bullet points and a couple fancy charts that I'm sure we will be presented with before a vote.

12yr Captain Swa
670 hours
340k gross
7k Per Diem
37k B fund
Total 384k

United B777 FO

12 year pay

$419,781 regular pay

$7,688 per diem

$16,121 Profit sharing

$35,000 401K B fund paid company

$31,014 RHA (retirement medical savings) paid company



$509,604 Total



Total Credit time 1575

Total block 741



Dropped my line in Aug and credited zero hrs for pay in AUG!

PAY 2020 YTD 15 jan $45,163

well done! How did you accomplish this!? Bid LCA?