Ah, I see SuperFluf already quoted my first response to FlyGuppy. Sorry for the double-post. Back to my cave now...

-Neal

Everything is on the table until both sides legally agree to take something off...hence the suggestion to take the JCBA off: legally exclude our future 747/777 (all actually) payrates from an argument about career expectations held in May 2010 (or earlier). This is mind-numbingly simple in principle...

I posted this on another thread but felt it belonged here more

The fundamental issue regarding the pay structure is what planes fit into the different categories for pay ie. *Wide body/ Narrow Body etc. * *On one hand I believe that the 747 should not be in the same category as a 767 because there is a huge difference in range and capabilities. *That includes the 767-400 comparison. * On the other hand the 747-400 will be gone in the next 7 years regardless because of the age of the aircraft. * Currently the oldest one flying is 21 years old and the newest is about 10 years old. *Assuming UAL is not planning on buying newer 747s or A380s I personally wouldn't want the "premier" pay rate to disappear along with the planes. I would want the highest pay to remain in place for the majority of the widebody flying. *

That being said these issues need to be settled and we all need to move forward. * We can debate all day how we would be better off without each other had the merger never happened. The fact is that our metaphorical parents are married to each other now and we all have many more toys to play with now than we had before. **The CAL pilots now have a lot of wide body flying that they didn't before and personally as a UAL pilot I am happy to see more domestic flying available. * I believe that those who advocate not talking and letting JCBA issue linger should wake the hell up. *We are all on the same side in the end. *