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air101 , 04-28-2014 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JustAMushroom

Really? How about...Money?

well said. OO is currently operating somewhere around 27-28 200's for US/AA... replace those with 30-40 175's and SkyWest will jump at the opportunity...

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atpcliff , 04-29-2014 01:59 AM

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Admittedly I don't keep up with Eagle but this is new to me....

“We are in final negotiations with a couple of providers for placing the 175s. I’m not sure when we’ll announce something..."

60 planes aren't going to Eagle. Looking more official every day. Like someone above said, maybe they'll go on the AA certificate but more than likely Parker is gonna hand them to his buddy JO.

I don't think JO has much of any excess pilot capacity to staff those aircraft.

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They still might go to Eagle. US Airways will just come back with a crappier deal each and every time. Eventually you will say Yes and they will have won.
They are going to win no matter what. It's like your little league hockey team playing at the stanley cup. You're gonna lose. The sooner you admit it, the less painful it will be.

Unless they can't place the aircraft elsewhere...if they say "NO" every time, and AA can't find staffing to fly them elsewhere, eventually AA will have to offer Eagle a decent contract to fly those planes...that's what Mason has been saying for months.

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Really? How about...Money?
well said. OO is currently operating somewhere around 27-28 200's for US/AA... replace those with 30-40 175's and SkyWest will jump at the opportunity...

If the money is high enough, then SkyWest could staff them...but if the money is that high, then it would probably make more sense to give that higher amount of money to Envoy.

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ross9238 , 04-29-2014 04:36 AM

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Right now If they come back to the table, it would have to be a better deal than the one before. So, why should they just bend over at the first carrot like PSA?

ETA: should've quoted seafye

#44

What , 04-29-2014 04:41 AM

Underpaid...

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Originally Posted by atpcliff

I don't think JO has much of any excess pilot capacity to staff those aircraft.

Unless they can't place the aircraft elsewhere...if they say "NO" every time, and AA can't find staffing to fly them elsewhere, eventually AA will have to offer Eagle a decent contract to fly those planes...that's what Mason has been saying for months.

If the money is high enough, then SkyWest could staff them...but if the money is that high, then it would probably make more sense to give that higher amount of money to Envoy.

Envoy has a contract in pace that is not amenable for 6 years, has the rates for the A/C, said rates will adjust according to the industry average and the work rules are average at best but lag behind SKW, AWAC, EXJ, Horizon, Compass, PDT, Endeavor and are comparable to PSA.

AAG management was trying to make Envoy a hybrid of Mesa and PSA. Having work rules that are close to Mesa but with the pay caps that PSA has.

Management doesn't have to modify the CBA to place the A/C, and actually there is much language in the CBA that is re-fleeting friendly towards the company.

So, AAG doesn't have to have a deal with Envoy, all the details are set. Management has demonstrated greed and that is the only obstacle, they want these airplanes flown for basically 50 seater rates on the CA side and T-prop pay on the FO side.

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amcnd , 04-29-2014 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by air101

well said. OO is currently operating somewhere around 27-28 200's for US/AA... replace those with 30-40 175's and SkyWest will jump at the opportunity...

But if you "replace" them who is going to fly PHX-FLG.. The 200's do a lot of short routes, suited for a 50 seater... There will always be a "small" need for the 50 seater.. If there wasn't SkyWest wouldn't be flying on ORD for AA...

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NVUS , 04-29-2014 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by amcnd

And more 200 flying to come, stay tuned.

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Spoiler , 04-29-2014 05:28 AM

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Compass IS the most likely candidate to take 10

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satpak77 , 04-29-2014 05:36 AM

Working weekends

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Originally Posted by Kill Switch

At this point the initial bid will go to those companies with a standing training program for the 175...AAG will pay the child support to put those birds in the air because if they don't - then they will just look like fools because their carrot to envoy wasn't eaten.

The planes coming online later can be the negotiating ones...but right now AAG is just trying to get these birds in the air with the amount of having to take it in the shorts.

I see Compass getting 5, maybe 10. PSA doesn't deserve anything but their new shiny planes. PDT's training department is a train wreck. Republic, XJet and Enjoy already said go pound sand (thank you), SkyWest has 100 175's coming - which will replace their -200s (and who says they will actually fly all their orders and not lease some to others to make $$), AWAC is updating their -200s with new leather...so why get 175's???..., Endeavor is drowning in their own blood, and TSA and GoJet have no business taking 175s when their sister Compass already has a proven track record with them.

So point of the story...5-10 of AAG's shiny new jets MAY have a home. It's also known fact that TSA won't bid for flying if it will put it in the red...unlike others who will bid, go in the red for 3 of 5 years on the contract planning to win the bid after 5...

Pi$$ poor planning promotes pi$$ poor performance.

AA's press release says Republic will fly them, or did I mis-read it ?

American Presents the New E175 :: American Airlines Newsroom

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The Embraer E-175 jets will be branded with the new American Eagle livery and operated by Republic Airlines, a subsidiary of Republic Airways Holdings. Beginning today, the aircraft will fly from Chicago O’Hare International Airport (ORD) to Albuquerque International Sunport (ABQ), Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport (MSY) and Pittsburgh International Airport (PIT). American will expand its E-175 service as additional aircraft are phased into operation. This will be done at a rate of approximately two to three aircraft per month, with 47 E-175s expected to be in service by the first quarter of 2015.

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“Preparing for this momentous event has involved hundreds of employees both at Republic and American,” said Republic Airways Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer Wayne Heller. “I want to thank the team at American and our people throughout our network who have worked so hard developing the program for today’s launch. We all are very much looking forward to growing our longstanding relationship with American Airlines.”

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ChipChelios , 04-29-2014 05:39 AM

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AWAC is updating their -200s with new leather...so why get 175's???...,

AWAC is just doing what we all did to our first crappy car in high school...went to the flea market and picked up some cheap pleather covers to cover up our white stained up seats!

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ccjaxpilot , 04-29-2014 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by satpak77

AA's press release says Republic will fly them, or did I mis-read it ?

American Presents the New E175 :: American Airlines Newsroom

This deal has been in place for over a year. There are now additionally 60 orders and 90 options of 175s with no home yet.