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Quote: Makes sense. Probably a few 777 pax birds laying around like the -8i, although they probably are older and have more time/wear, etc. but may be cheaper to operate - heck if I know. How many 777 pax birds do we have? Never really dove into our inventory as of late, or the bank’s inventory for that matter. Good point.
Zero. Right now the only customer on the triple is DHL. Southern's opspecs don't allow pax. But I agree that we'll probably get a few 777s in pax config once SOC happens.

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Quote: Zero. Right now the only customer on the triple is DHL. Southern's opspecs don't allow pax. But I agree that we'll probably get a few 777s in pax config once SOC happens.

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DHL is not the only customer on the 777.
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Quote: DHL is not the only customer on the 777.
Whatever. Either way, we don't have any pax aircraft right now, due to opspecs.

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Quote: Zero. Right now the only customer on the triple is DHL. Southern's opspecs don't allow pax. But I agree that we'll probably get a few 777s in pax config once SOC happens.

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And you’ll get to fly them for $10/hr. less than your counterparts at OMNI. A po-dunk 300 pilot airline…
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Quote: And you’ll get to fly them for $10/hr. less than your counterparts at OMNI. A po-dunk 300 pilot airline…
Yeah, no chance Atlas is able to maintain anything close to their 2600 pilots under this new contract so I doubt we'll even be flying 777 pax planes
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Hiring
What’s the latest with hiring at Southern and Atlas, struggling to fill classes or still fine with the current crop of regional pilots?

I heard they are looking at Aussie pilots on the E3 visa again, however It’s just what I heard from somebody, don’t know how true it is. I presume there is a lot of unhappiness though within the group regarding the new contract so people will move on.

Does anybody expect mass resignations or any kind of difficulty for the Atlas group to maintain the current numbers they have?
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Nothing really new as it ebbs and flows. Probably a bigger rush to the door after the contract was unveiled and most outfits are planning to hire massively for the foreseeable future. 1-3 year mark jump mostly but that’s not new, 4-5 years those hoping for a contract of significance will jump as well. You have a few beyond the 5 year mark as they probably have had their apps in anyway just before CvD19. Last year we were a safe haven so unsurprisingly there should be bigger flush and that seems quite obvious from my standpoint.
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Quote: And you’ll get to fly them for $10/hr. less than your counterparts at OMNI. A po-dunk 300 pilot airline…
have you taken into account that Omni only has one major customer whereas Atlas has at least three?

Would be willing to trade $10 less for more job security?
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Quote: What’s the latest with hiring at Southern and Atlas, struggling to fill classes or still fine with the current crop of regional pilots?

I heard they are looking at Aussie pilots on the E3 visa again, however It’s just what I heard from somebody, don’t know how true it is. I presume there is a lot of unhappiness though within the group regarding the new contract so people will move on.

Does anybody expect mass resignations or any kind of difficulty for the Atlas group to maintain the current numbers they have?
I personally expect the economy to crash and pax flying to dwindle again. The country has just pushed this COVID economic recession back. We are in the eye of the hurricane... except now the government can't bail people out

Many new pilots will appreciate the hedging security that comes with flying at Atlas as well as the constant adventure in the destinations we go to. Also you get to fly heavies.
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Quote: I personally expect the economy to crash and pax flying to dwindle again. The country has just pushed this COVID economic recession back. We are in the eye of the hurricane... except now the government can't bail people out

Many new pilots will appreciate the hedging security that comes with flying at Atlas as well as the constant adventure in the destinations we go to. Also you get to fly heavies.
So, do you think massive pilot furloughs are right around the corner, or not?
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