I was trying, but I did not renew my airlineapps subscription this year. I’m flirting with 50% company seniority, and I bid top 5% in base as a FO. All that seniority happened in well under 4 years. I’ve decided if want “start over” I will take the upgrade and be a jr. captain, instead of jr. FO at 90ish bucks a hour.

So it sounds like both of you are placing more emphasis on fast QOL achievement than career earnings, job security or anything else. I'm assuming that's how most guys feel?

How old are you? i assume you're a 40-50 something yr old CA, in which case it probably makes sense to stay. i'm more curious about the younger/more junior crowd with 20+ years still left to go.

This sounds more accurate than zero attrition

I'm not criticizing anyone here, just trying to see what the thought process of young guys choosing to stay is.

It sounds like you're also staying for QOL/quick seniority, but also have in the back of your head that the money isn't that much different? Let's use UA for example, yes first year pay is $91, but minimum 2nd year pay is $137 and higher if you take the 756 or 777. I'm just remembering during y'alls contract fight ALPA had that graph of how many years it would take to "break even" if you left F9 for a legacy. Obviously the numbers are different with your new contract, but the numbers were shocking, with 401K match, profit sharing....etc. I remember being surprised that ALPA was saying it was financially advantageous to go to a legacy if you were under like 50 something years old. I'd be curious to know what the number is now

I feel like in the end my career earnings wont be so much less that its worth starting over. I feel my job security is probably a little better here. Especially with the way the ULCC market share is growing. Who knows, we may end up getting bought out or buy somebody down the road. The only major reason to go to a Legacy is for international flying. If you dont mind domestic, you're just as good off at Frontier as somewhere else.

yeah in terms of pay rates i agree, but do you include 401k/B fund, profit sharing when calculating the numbers? and at what age/how many years left in one's career is this the case?

401K, but not profit sharing because its not a guarantee. Our 401k DC will be 15% in three years, and United is at 16%. So its comparable.

I’m in my 30’s... I hold a line as a captain... I live in base... I’ll make over 300k this year... you can be a delta 777 captain and be broke and you be a frontier fo and have a lot of money... whether you’re at delta or FedEx or frontier, if you’re smart with your earnings, you’ll have a good retirement and a good life... people here like the people they work with... they live in base... they don’t want to start over... they know there will be a downturn and, for now, theres some job security here... there’s myriad reasons why people stay... this is a pretty good place to work other than some annoying stuff they could easily fix

It sounds like we're fairly close in terms of overall seniority and age so I'll go with that. I guess I can live with top 100 eventually. I guess.

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No, the money is definitely part of the decision. I think to many have in the back of their minds that legacies are the only way to make a lot of money...they are not.

I have a friend that’s a 767 captain at a legacy and I will out earn him this year and I’m in my 20s and he’s in his 60s. This place is a lot more lucrative than the pay scale leads you to believe. We have a lot of soft pay and I work way less than him and don’t commute.