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Old 05-13-2019, 08:49 AM
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Do they consider PIC applicants without the type rating?
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Old 05-13-2019, 09:12 AM
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Unfortunately not. We need an Argus rated crew, so between
100 and 250 PIC in type is required for upgrade depending on the PIC time of the other crew members. Upgrade times are currently 6-18 months.

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Old 05-15-2019, 05:57 PM
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What is your "Call sign" and IATA code to look up on Flight aware?

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Old 05-15-2019, 06:22 PM
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We don't have a company call sign. Just a bunch of "Citation ### Juliet Sierra's".
Cjs & Encores-N7##JS
Excels-N8##JS
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Citation Xs-Still wearing previous tail# & paint scheme (2 on certificate, more coming)


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Old 05-16-2019, 04:34 AM
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What is your "Call sign" and IATA code to look up on Flight aware?

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If you want to get a flavor for the ops tempo, you can follow these XL tails on flightaware:

832JS
837JS
836JS
839JS
843JS
886CP
806JS
824JS
847JS
827JS

Watch and you can see how the "day to day" life is.

From my perspective, FE is a small company trying to grow into big shoes, however your dispatch will come via email showing your repo or live legs and your trip sheets will also come via email so they are clearly still barebones.

You will do your own FRATS, flight planning, weight and balance, running to the store to buy a lime for the pax, etc, etc....and you will do all of that on your off time.

Your stock will consider of getting to a stock locker (literally a locker with a lock on it at a few airports) and grabbing whatever you need or running to Target to buy the purple bag of Lays potato chips "multipack".

I dont think I ever experienced any "FBO rot" and they were very good about releasing us to the hotel (oh you have to book that yourself) when we were done for the day. Never, if ever, "hot spare", etc.

Management is supporting and I hardly ever got any pushback from CP or DO. HOWEVER, you can expect to feel a slight pressure to always get it done because it might be a "top customer".

If you need to get some 135 experience or knock some rust off, it is a decent place to go for maybe a year to get experience under your belt.

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Hey 100LL,

While I agree with you on several points, your post reminds me of that age old aviation joke where the Chief Pilot calls a big company meeting in a hangar and gives a speech to all the pilots. He tells them that they are starting a new program where the pilots just stay home and get paid for sitting $150,000/year, weekly. He tells them that all they have to is to show up every Friday to collect their paycheck... Punchline: Sure enough, one pilot in the pilot in the back of the room stands up and says" "Why can't you just mail the damn check to us?" Definitely a tough crowd....

Sure! We would love a 7 on/7 off schedule, but think about it....: Other than Warren Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway-owned Netjets, NOBODY that I know in this segment of aviation has that, much less a 6/8 schedule. Nobody starts out with a 7/7 schedule; it's something that you have to work towards. Heck, look at GAMA/Wheels Up (with all their deep pockets, Kenny Dichter financial backing) and Executive AirShare... Only a few years ago, GAMA had an awful 6 on/3 off schedule, and Airshare had an even worse 12 on/3 off schedule, and their FO's are still on a 10 on/5 off schedule.. So things here aren't that bad and could definitely be a LOT worse..

Remember that we only celebrated our 4th anniversary a few weeks back, and that we only started in 2015 with 3 CJ2's..... Now, we are up to 39 Citations in 4 short years. We've come a long way, baby in quite a short time. So while, sure, there are things that can be improved upon, we have made some great strides forward and are a great company to fly for.

Before Contract '05, Netjets (then, Executive Jet) wasn't the greatest place to work either, where pilots started out at $35,000 and you could only have 5 domiciles, where you had to be standing by 12 prior to duty on. And prior to September 11, Southwest was considered a 5th or 6th choice after AA, DL, UA, USAir, NWA, and Continental. And look at them now....

Give us a little time, and I'll bet you will be surprised how good we get... Good companies grow into being even better companies, with pay, schedule, and QOL.; Just ask the pilots at Southwest, Netjets and GAMA.


PS- I have never been forced to fly extra or train on a day off, but have volunteered often since the Company has been so good to me. The Company has bent over backwards to be flexible with my medical travel, 100th Birthday Celebrations, getting me and a fellow crew member home ahead of Hurricanes and ensuring that we had time off, my cross-country move, and flying me across the country to be with my Wife when I slipped on ice on duty. And that all happened in the last year... flyExclusive is an excellent Company to work for, and it continues to improve.
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While I’m not for or against Fly exclusive. There compensation is low. Even as compared to GAMA. Insurance while free for pilot (have a wife or kid) there goes your entire paycheck. A pilot will ***** about everything but in today’s pilot shortage market if you can even offer the same package another carrier does I don’t know if I’d sit on a high horse insulting pilots for wanting better. Give free healthcare to pilots and families then you can call us cry babies. But to be lowest pay or close to it and McDonald’s worker type premium for family insurance I’d be careful insulting pilots for wanting better. I embarrassed for fly exclusive when it comes to that. Most regional airlines have better insurance premiums and coverage and there’s all blow. Like I said I have no beef with fly exclusive but until your company can offer at least 1 industry leading perk please don’t insult pilots. You may one day be bigger than NJA and GAMA XOjet Flex Jet but even the mighty are finding ways to stay ahead of the next competitor as far as compensation. So to not even be on par or barely on par with current market levels Is gonna put you at a disadvantage.

But like I said I hope Fly Exclusive does well. But the comment about a pilot wanting a checked mailed after doing nothing. I can remember the days if you didn’t have 5,000+ hours a company like yours wouldnt even waste the ink sending an “email” politely rejecting them. So times have changed and if I was that pilot that asked for the check to be mailed.I’d say remember how pilots got treated in 2010. Pay backs a “B” to any management unless they were offering Top QOL PAY and Insurance. And keep in mind your pilots are leaving for other 135 carriers too. The deck of cards ( Pilots) gets continuously shuffled.

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Talking Agreed, but we GET to pick our hotels....

Originally Posted by UTR69 View Post
If you want to get a flavor for the ops tempo, you can follow these XL tails on flightaware:

832JS
837JS
836JS
839JS
843JS
886CP
806JS
824JS
847JS
827JS

Watch and you can see how the "day to day" life is.

From my perspective, FE is a small company trying to grow into big shoes, however your dispatch will come via email showing your repo or live legs and your trip sheets will also come via email so they are clearly still barebones.

You will do your own FRATS, flight planning, weight and balance, running to the store to buy a lime for the pax, etc, etc....and you will do all of that on your off time.

Your stock will consider of getting to a stock locker (literally a locker with a lock on it at a few airports) and grabbing whatever you need or running to Target to buy the purple bag of Lays potato chips "multipack".

I dont think I ever experienced any "FBO rot" and they were very good about releasing us to the hotel (oh you haveto book that yourself) when we were done for the day. Never, if ever, "hot spare", etc.

Management is supporting and I hardly ever got any pushback from CP or DO. HOWEVER, you can expect to feel a slight pressure to always get it done because it might be a "top customer".

If you need to get some 135 experience or knock some rust off, it is a decent place to go for maybe a year to get experience under your belt.

Good luck
Hey UTR,

That’s a pretty accurate description of our operational tempo and hotel life. The only amendment that I would like to make is that we GET to pick our hotels, rather than being forced to... A Netjets pilot walked up to us and said... “You guys HAVE to pick your hotels, huh”, and then one one thousand, two one thousand.. wait of it.. “You guys GET to pick your own hotels.... That’s pretty awesome”.

This is the first place that I have had that option and love it. Believe me that I would never go back to having my hotels selected by scheduling that got the contract by cutting out free breakfast; Been there done it.. Great idea about the FlightAware tracking
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Originally Posted by B727DRVR View Post
Hey UTR,

That’s a pretty accurate description of our operational tempo and hotel life. The only amendment that I would like to make is that we GET to pick our hotels, rather than being forced to... A Netjets pilot walked up to us and said... “You guys HAVE to pick your hotels, huh”, and then one one thousand, two one thousand.. wait of it.. “You guys GET to pick your own hotels.... That’s pretty awesome”.

This is the first place that I have had that option and love it. Believe me that I would never go back to having my hotels selected by scheduling that got the contract by cutting out free breakfast; Been there done it.. Great idea about the FlightAware tracking
Truth in advertising:

Yes, you get/have to pick your own hotels. Sounds great at first until you land someplace busy and can't find a hotel room under your FE cap of $135 per night. You then call dispatch and they suddenly can find you a hotel, but it is 50 miles away and only $400/night (same room I found). OK, book it for me and I'll take that Uber for an hour. Not a problem until the next day when you have to show for a flight......and you take another Uber ride back that wasn't counted for in your show time (travel local in nature)....

It's all how you make it.....some guys are Marriott guys (Bonvoy) and some guys are Hilton (Hilton Honors) guys, so there is always a discussion about "where do you want to go"......

Some guys are misers and want to "help the company out" and stay at a cheap hotel and some guys are willing to blow all of the money "as long as we are close".....

I guess that is all how you perceive it but I would rather have a contract that states they will book the hotel for me as long as it is within acceptable limits.....Those limits change as hotels are reviewed by the pilots...

I would rather have a licensed dispatcher that professionally dispatches my trips and provides me with weight and balance, V-Speeds, Pax names and DOBs along with their weights (goes back to that W&B). Weather, NOTAMS, etc, etc. I honestly think that could allow them to fly the pilots more efficiently which is good for a small company looking to scoop up low hanging fruit.

Don't forget, your dispatch has a board on the wall that tracks sales. When I saw that room, and especially that board, it made me understand what your dispatch is REALLY there for......

Shall we talk about your 401K now? Want to know Mike's response to "when are you going to increase the 401K"?

How your PTO accrual?

How your healthcare and dental care?

Did we talk about your crew meal policy and how dispatch interprets that?

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