First time posting. I've read through many threads in the Envoy and Pidemont sections and need some advice between the two airlines.

I've already interviewed with and been hired by Piedmont, and I'm receiving cadet instructor checks from Piedmont and am able to repay them. I've not yet reached my ATP minimums, though I'm very close, and have not been assigned an ATP CTP date.

My concern with Piedmont is their seemingly low QOL with poor scheduling (4 on 2 off regardless of seniority) and little to no flexibility.

I'm considering Envoy instead and would like to know if you Envoy pilot's feel like you have a better QOL than Piedmont. Should I consider interviewing with Envoy instead or is it just different flavors of the WO family with the same problems.

Has anyone done this and am I setting myself up for being blacklisted by the WO's and AA if I bail on Piedmont.

Thanks in advance.

Can you drive to work at either?

Yes, I intend to move to base for any domicile I’m assigned.

We have little flexibility also but it sounds like marginally better schedules - usually 4 on 3 off. From what I understand, AA does not care whether you jump around provided you haven’t started there generating a PRIA hit, however, you will be asked to leave before your tech interview if Envoy finds out you’ve accepted an offer from Piedmont or PSA.

To me the QOL pick is Piedmont between the two. Lots of paid time off in training and pretty liveable jr FO base (CLT) compared to ORD or god forbid NYC but it has been awhile since I researched options thoroughly so ymmv. There are other reasons to consider Envoy if you think you are likely to get hired off the street because if (and only if) you get the 175 you’ll upgrade and get valuable TPIC sooner potentially but you said QOL.

When you get close see what planes are being offered in class. If cadets are going into the 175 then that would be far better qol than the 145 at PDT. Longer routes = more days off. Junior base is PHL for Piedmont.

Flow is a toss up, Envoy seems to have a stronger union and slightly better schedules, and electronic scheduling stuff. Piedmont just graduated from using a fax machine to submit bids. There’s zero transparency with scheduling at Piedmont.

Biggest difference is Envoy is taking brand new planes, Piedmont has taken all the planes it’s supposed to get from Envoy. Piedmont is currently not upgrading FOs to Captain and Envoy is. When Piedmont does open up upgrades again it’s taking folks 30-36 months from day one of indoc until they have enough hours to upgrade.

The future is brighter at Envoy currently.

You'll probably end up being an Envoy pilot either way

Thanks for your responses everyone, I appreciate the input.

I’ve posted on your other thread before I found this one.
Seems to me you’re worrying about the color of the sky next week.
You haven’t started yet, don’t know what you like to dislike in a Professional career and you’re already considering bouncing because of what....exactly?
Opinions of random people on the internet? Like mine?
Stick with it and be grateful for the opportunity and don’t look at Tuesday’s off vs Wednesday’s off.
That’s pointless.
Instead work your ass off the next 2-3 years.
Then take a breather and reevaluate.

Thanks for the input, it's because I've already had an aviation job with a terrible schedule that required night after night of hotel stays, and little scheduling flexibility. It's the scheduling flexibility that's a killer for me. Unfortunately what the recruiters say and what pilot's say conflict when it comes to scheduling at Piedmont. That's why I'm asking here.