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FLYandDIVE , 05-31-2019 06:34 AM
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Cy - think you missed the question. It originated as advice on the bid process. Like most threads they evolve into other areas.

I get there are a lot of unhappy people here - no reason to attack the new ones. Read the threads from other airlines and I see the same complaints. I’ll play this hand and hope for the best.

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LowvalueFO , 05-31-2019 07:47 AM
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Also, the bubble of 2017 hired FOs will finally start approaching the 1000 hour mark. They will be sliding into CA lines above a NEC. I'm thinking the NEC hired today probably won't see a line until summer 2022, unless something major changes.
It is already happening, DECS keep getting pushed down and are displaced from bases, just ask the DECS that got displaced from DFW to ORD after just had it awarded to them ...
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havick206 , 05-31-2019 01:57 PM
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It is already happening, DECS keep getting pushed down and are displaced from bases, just ask the DECS that got displaced from DFW to ORD after just had it awarded to them ...
It’s not like they didn’t know that would happen.
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imthecaptainnow , 05-31-2019 03:59 PM
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Also, liked the bases and equipment better than PSA and PDT. The pay will come around. I haven't been on property and may not have a right to be optimistic, but I am.
Frontier had a hell of a time getting a new contract because pilots kept showing up on property. Had people stayed away for 2-3 months Frontier would have had a contract a whole lot sooner then they did.
And right now it's certainly not helping Enovy pilots get higher pay rates when new pilots show up either. Come here only if we get a pay raise you'll be thanking yourself later when you do. You're not doing Envoy pilots or yourself a favor by showing up to training and expecting to get a pay raise down the road.
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Frontier had a hell of a time getting a new contract because pilots kept showing up on property. Had people stayed away for 2-3 months Frontier would have had a contract a whole lot sooner then they did.
And right now it's certainly not helping Enovy pilots get higher pay rates when new pilots show up either. Come here only if we get a pay raise you'll be thanking yourself later when you do. You're not doing Envoy pilots or yourself a favor by showing up to training and expecting to get a pay raise down the road.
Why can't we all see this......Short term gain for long term gains. We are our own worst enemy, not management.
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Because I'm short on time before 65 - PDT, PSA, and ENV were the only options because their time counts toward AA total time. None of the other regionals have that.


What do you mean by this? How does time at envoy count towards AA total time?


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havick206 , 06-01-2019 01:12 AM
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What do you mean by this? How does time at envoy count towards AA total time?


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He’s talking about the years served at aag to count towards lifetime non-rev bennies under the points system.
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Based on your post it sounds like you’re coming with some time that qualifies for upgrade which means you’re likely not a cadet which leads me to believe you should NOT be fairly senior in your class since cadets pick first.

In any case, you don’t really provide enough details to give great advice. Ultimately, pick whatever aircraft that has a base to where you don’t have to commute. If you MUST commute, get the 175 if you can due to the shortest reserve for FO. I don’t know about ORD but in my base (DFW) CA 145 lineholders are significantly junior to CA 175 lineholds. If it’s the same in the base you want to work at, upgrade to the 145.

You don’t want to commute to reserve.
Do you know what the junior line holder is in DFW 145?
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He’s talking about the years served at aag to count towards lifetime non-rev bennies under the points system.


Roger, thanks!


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Do you know what the junior line holder is in DFW 145?
Not off the top of my head but I know a couple 145 captains hired Jan of '17 that held lines for the first time in May so somewhere around there.
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