While you may not agree with his comments he has a point. If we do not unite and sound like professionals we are, the company will take us for more. Instead of gathering data on what we do and have sacrificed for the better of the company our MEC sends emails that make us sound like a bunch of whiny fools. How do we vote them out!!!!

Anybody can ***** about having it better ...

I say we nominate Pinseeker for the Negotiating Committee! Let's see if he put his heart where his b*tch is?

If you can as a retiree, then please nominate me. The only problem is I'm not part of the good ol' boys network on Kirby. They want it to appear they are fighting for the contract we deserve, as long as it really doesn't become a fight.

The real issue is that the contract negotiations should not be done by any work group, period. Pilots fly airplanes, professional negotiators hammer out contract deals ........... This has been a chronic problem with our group but our union thinks they have to maintain job security by keeping a group of pilots in the war room with the company attorneys , as long as the pilot union maintains this status quo we will never ever see as good a deal as we could get

How can DAL ALPA negotiate good contracts with their pilots doing the negotiating?

Must be the Hat and Double Breasted Suit.

They don’t. When you’re at rock bottom post bankruptcy anything looks better. They’ve given up scope and work rules in every contract since bankruptcy. This is masked by happiness with pay rates.

Don’t forget the biggest thing they gave up. A Pension. That group of 6,000 at the top is fighting now to try to get a few scraps of it back in this current bargaining cycle.

There's a big difference between giving something up during negotiations and having it taken away from you during bankruptcy. The bankruptcy court ruled that Delta couldn't come out of chapter 11 without terminating the pilot pension.

If you head over to the Delta forum you will see that the pilot group willingly gave it up because of fear of being forced to give it up. It sounds like some got a lump sum and some get a PBGC payment. It sounds as if it was given up to “save” what was left of it. Now this is just my takeaway from my reading in a few of the recent threads they have started in regards to them trying to get a DB plan back. It was the thread in regards to “Deadzoner”