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Flying101 , 05-28-2020 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TallFlyer

Can’t speak for the other WOs, but at PSA Sim guys are all seniority list, and are back on the line, with quite a few bidding reserve and using their seniority to avoid flying.

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Most AA ground and sim instructors (LCK) are not active pilots. Rumor has it most instructors at PSA are pilot who didn’t make it through training, is that true?

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R57 relay , 05-28-2020 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying101

Most AA ground and sim instructors (LCK) are not active pilots. Rumor has it most instructors at PSA are pilot who didn’t make it through training, is that true?

FTCI(ground school) and SIMP (sim pilots that can do some initial training and RTS day of CQT) are non-seniority list pilots. All X type (sim and line) and L type(line only) check airman are on the seniority list and union eligible.

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Flying101 , 05-28-2020 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by R57 relay

Thanks.. was supposed to say (Not CKA).

#64

ZeroTT , 06-01-2020 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Downtime

Good luck to them. I swear PSA made it a mission to fly you every available day and if you are in CLT don’t forget sitting hot everyday. This will mostly hit DAY as a lot of the ground instructors are not seniority list pilots.

really, seniority has been useless. Although if there are 124 available reserves that works a bit better

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RI830 , 06-01-2020 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 206321

Only 5 takers of the latest round of early retirements for July. Mostly PHL and CLT 330 and 767 pilots.

To correct an earlier post, here is the scenario if they offer another round of early retirements effective August:
For example:
If a junior A330 CA gets bumped down to A320 CA on this September bid, (results due out June 11) and if they are offered another round of early retirements effective August, then then would retire at the higher pay A330 rate. This is straight from APA rep.

However, August is going to be the last chance.

A330/777/787 CA at $342/hour at 50 hrs month (early retirement package) = $17,100 per month
A320/737 CA at $278/hour at 85 hrs per month (staying active) = $23,630

In other words, if they hang around, they are working the first 61.5 hours of the month for free.

Glass is always half empty huh??
You bid a 90 hour line to complain about working 80 hours for free and the last 10 hours is a killer hourly rate?

These guys stick around and make an extra $6,500 per month and you bad mouth them. Lets see if the shoe fits!

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TallFlyer , 06-01-2020 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Flying101

Most AA ground and sim instructors (LCK) are not active pilots. Rumor has it most instructors at PSA are pilot who didn’t make it through training, is that true?

At PSA ground instructors (specifically cockpit procedure trainer instructors) can often times be pilots that didn’t make it though.

Last time I went through recurrent ground it was a former PSA pilot who went to mainline, then had a medical event, and PSA hired him back for CLT ground schools.

Sim guys are all seniority list, and are paid decently, though many are back on the line now for obvious reasons.

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AirBear , 06-02-2020 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TallFlyer

Sim guys are all seniority list, and are paid decently, though many are back on the line now for obvious reasons.

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That must be new, about 2 years ago I looked at Sim Instructor jobs at AA and PSA. I had lost my medical while at NetJets in 2017 and was retired USAirways/AA. I had experience on the A320 and the CRJ200 when on "flow down" at Mesa. Actually went to DFW to interview and fly the A320 Sim. But I found out my PBGC retirement would be frozen if I worked for AA or a wholly owned. PSA was advertising for Sim Instructors in CLT but they required previous 121 Sim Instructor time and I didn't have that so didn't bother to apply. I was surprised PSA had more stringent requirements to apply than AA did but then I realized PSA was probably more challenging since the washout rate was a lot higher than mainline. I'd be teaching guys who never flew turbine before.

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ACEssXfer , 06-02-2020 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by AirBear

They hire guys that teach in the sim but don’t do IOE right away. They are on the seniority list and can do IOE in the future workload permitting.

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Al Czervik , 06-02-2020 03:48 PM

You scratched my anchor

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Originally Posted by Flying101

Thanks.. was supposed to say (Not CKA).

Don’t sweat it. R57 gets a little bossy at times.

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Flying101 , 06-03-2020 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Al Czervik

Don’t sweat it. R57 gets a little bossy at times.

Hahaha, I noticed.