Skeet20

Well there you go! It’s all been figured out.

CLE to IAH

you probably shouldn’t. Best of luck with your future endeavors. Kthxbye

Tranquility

How quaint, you guys think you have a meltdown going on…. Spirit be like “hold my beer…”.

Lewbronski

Unfortunately, talk like this could do as much damage to the union, and as a result, the collective well being of the pilot group, as actual scabs do to a union during a legal job action. While I know your intent was to engage in a bit of friendly banter, talk like this can be interpreted as intimidation of fellow employees who don't agree with your perspective on the best way to handle labor disagreements. That can get a union into a lot of hot water. It can get a union fined with a crippling financial penalty. And it can set back, and even hobble, our negotiation efforts to obtain a better CBA.

The company may well be in discovery mode right now, quietly scraping social media and collating the operational data, to create a case or bolster its case against the union. If any kind of case ends up getting filed, it will be heard in a federal district court in Texas - in other words in a court significantly more hostile to labor than some of the other courts around the nation.

And yes, you can try to argue that if, for example, screen shots or quotes from this forum or other social media venues were used in a case against the union that the company can't prove who really said it, that it might have even been a management plant, and so on, but in real life, those arguments didn't hold water in the actual case of the Spirit pilots back in 2017. The Spirit pilots got whacked and their negotiation efforts were dealt a serious blow.

The best thing to do is to be quiet and maintain the status quo.

Profane Kahuna

Cool, how do you do that?

And how secure is the electronic record keeping or database or whatever that such personal info would be stored in?

Caveman

Lol, this is awesome 😂

fadec

Lulzy. There is no status quo. They blew it up with the vax mandate.

KirillTheThrill

No worries, I understand where you’re coming from.

Just to clarify, I’m not an SWA employee, my post history clearly proves that fact.

Who knows, maybe the guy I replied to is a company plant, or just a POS.

Lewbronski

If that's the case, we need to handle it legally - in federal court. That's what the union is trying to do with the motion to append their ongoing lawsuit alleging status quo violations with the accusation that SWA's vax mandate is also a violation of the status quo. If we try to handle it with our own illegal job action, we can get shwhacked.

Just step back and think about why that is so. If the law allowed either side in a labor dispute to abandon the status quo the moment they accused the other side of violating the status quo, that would quickly devolve into chaos. It would become part of the playbook - accuse the other side of violating the status quo without adjudicating it in the courts, then do whatever it wants to bring the other side to it's knees. Airlines and railroads would be in a constant state of dysfunction. Since the nation depends on our two industries in so many ways, Congress decided they didn't want that kind of mayhem. The courts have backed them up on it for decades.

So, it doesn't matter if you or the majority of the pilot group believes the status quo has been violated. It matters what the courts have to say about it. We cannot act unilaterally and do whatever we want just because some or all of the pilot group believes some kind of injustice has occurred.

Acting illegally on our own can set back our negotiations or penalize our union with such a large fine that they can't effectively operate. If that happens, the whole pilot group could be harmed in the form of lower career earnings, worse benefits, crappier work rules, weaker disciplinary protection, etc than we could have had if our pilot group hadn't stripped its union of funds and legal leverage.

fcoolaiddrinker

Safeway sent me an email with instructions. Deleted the email so I don’t have the website. Probably have to use google to figure it out. I believe there’s one company managing the database as part of operation warp speed but I could be wrong. I’ve had to show it a few times (gym, a college, showed a friend how it worked). Each time I got the text asking for my permission. I did get one that I had no idea about so I said no.