Kirby on pilot shortage
11-24-2021, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
United Airlines was forced to cut service to 11 secondary cities across the midwestern USA beginning in January due to the pilot shortage, the company’s chief executive officer says.
“It’s down to pilots,” Scott Kirby tells viewers of the Skift Aviation conference on 17 November. The pilot shortage is now real, we don’t have enough pilots to fly all the airplanes. It’s very simple.”
https://www.flightglobal.com/network...146481.article
“It’s down to pilots,” Scott Kirby tells viewers of the Skift Aviation conference on 17 November. The pilot shortage is now real, we don’t have enough pilots to fly all the airplanes. It’s very simple.”
https://www.flightglobal.com/network...146481.article
I listened to this interview with Kirby. Probably not a surprise, but he mentioned that with the shortage at the regionals, the 50 seat flying is the first to go.
11-25-2021, 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by OpieTaylor
Because heavy growth and attrition is required to have a successful career there. If you get hired by an LCC and they quit growing you will have 0 movement based on pilots turning 65. Every company can’t double in size forever, and if the contract is on par then that shuts down attrition. Someone will have a stagnant career there, just no one knows when that pilot was/will be hired.
'muricans retirements look good on paper, dude did a breakdown on the FB group, its still good movement but not as great as it would seem from a purely 15000 pilots minus 6000 retiring simple math perspective. In other words, if you want to be LGA 737 Captain in <1 year you can do it, still looking at 7+ years to widebody FO that flies regularly if that's your thing, talk about stagnant - widebody seniority list is as stagnant as it gets. United has the largest widebody fleet and its no different.
11-25-2021, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by OpieTaylor
Because heavy growth and attrition is required to have a successful career there. If you get hired by an LCC and they quit growing you will have 0 movement based on pilots turning 65. Every company can’t double in size forever, and if the contract is on par then that shuts down attrition. Someone will have a stagnant career there, just no one knows when that pilot was/will be hired.
11-25-2021, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by JayBee
and that's different than anywhere else how?
'muricans retirements look good on paper, dude did a breakdown on the FB group, its still good movement but not as great as it would seem from a purely 15000 pilots minus 6000 retiring simple math perspective. In other words, if you want to be LGA 737 Captain in <1 year you can do it, still looking at 7+ years to widebody FO that flies regularly if that's your thing, talk about stagnant - widebody seniority list is as stagnant as it gets. United has the largest widebody fleet and its no different.
'muricans retirements look good on paper, dude did a breakdown on the FB group, its still good movement but not as great as it would seem from a purely 15000 pilots minus 6000 retiring simple math perspective. In other words, if you want to be LGA 737 Captain in <1 year you can do it, still looking at 7+ years to widebody FO that flies regularly if that's your thing, talk about stagnant - widebody seniority list is as stagnant as it gets. United has the largest widebody fleet and its no different.
11-25-2021, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by CRJdriver2017
There’s guys at United and Delta getting awarded the 767 in a year or so. Not sure why AA is so much different.
And no more Group 3 Aircraft (757/767) at AA either. Also as I understand it a factor in their LCA retention issues.
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11-25-2021, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT
widebody fo that flies regularly is different from widebody FO
11-25-2021, 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by CRJdriver2017
There’s guys at United and Delta getting awarded the 767 in a year or so. Not sure why AA is so much different.
11-26-2021, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JayBee
and that's different than anywhere else how?
'muricans retirements look good on paper, dude did a breakdown on the FB group, its still good movement but not as great as it would seem from a purely 15000 pilots minus 6000 retiring simple math perspective. In other words, if you want to be LGA 737 Captain in <1 year you can do it, still looking at 7+ years to widebody FO that flies regularly if that's your thing, talk about stagnant - widebody seniority list is as stagnant as it gets. United has the largest widebody fleet and its no different.
'muricans retirements look good on paper, dude did a breakdown on the FB group, its still good movement but not as great as it would seem from a purely 15000 pilots minus 6000 retiring simple math perspective. In other words, if you want to be LGA 737 Captain in <1 year you can do it, still looking at 7+ years to widebody FO that flies regularly if that's your thing, talk about stagnant - widebody seniority list is as stagnant as it gets. United has the largest widebody fleet and its no different.
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