The company was the one who negotiated for the OT “cap”. They wanted to prevent a handful of pilots who VX every day off from timing out by the end of the year then having to sit at home on min guarantee during peak. The funny thing is anyone in that situation this year worked their ass off under the old pay scale to then sit at home under the new.

Out of 2500 pilots we probably have 3-4 that manage to game the system that way.
Not a reason to cap the pilot group
Not for the company considering all the other wasteful spending and certainly shouldn’t be for a union.
Thing that irks me is that it was kept under wraps for so long and the pilot group wasn’t asked for input.
IRDGAFF what UPS does really.

The company would save more $$ if they capped the number of Sr VPs, VPs, Sr Directors, and Directors at a headcount of 130. I’ve never seen an airline as top heavy with senior “management” as Atlas.

Let’s be honest the OT cap was something that nobody asked for. But a select few decided we needed it and so now we have it. You can try and explain away all day how it’s really not a cap, but it’s a cap.

And what did we lose for it… Erosion of Seniority. What did we gain for it - “Fairness”

*Either way can be argued, but it should have been brought forward before we got wind of it as TS mentioned. It only makes things smell more like kaka!

How about we split Captain and FO pay now that’s FAIR.

I would have preferred an overhaul of open-time and trip trading to get trips into the system rather than create arbitrary caps. Those caps can and are bypassed by listing trips as ASAP trips or not putting those trips into open-time at all. It would have been nice to focus on making systems work as planned rather than implementing caps, etc. Oh well.

You know that's all in the CBA, right? Programming AIMS just takes time. Read the yellow bits in Article 25.

I did see that we have improvements in Article 25 coming, specifically with short notice open-time. True we see some language that limits abuse of the ASAP open-time trips. However I didn't see anything that forces the company to put trips into the open-time system. Perhaps I missed it?

We were talking about this in context of the VX cap. As long as there are ways for trips to make it to volunteering pilots without them hitting the open time system, the hour-cap will encourage more sideline deals. While the intent was to make things more fair, the effect may be to drive more trips toward specific pets and favorites. People playing by the rules will be the ones to suffer here. Hopefully I'm wrong, and I simply missed something in our draft. Personally I think we have more important stuff to work towards.

Hush TS, what kind of madness is this. Being a senior FO sniping art 33 bid lines has been very good for some of us. By no means art 33 Capt pay, but I don’t sit in the Hot seat continuously and wouldn’t be able hold these trips as much if any being in the left. I have also been racking up that ever so lucrative PIC relief snoozer time. This “displaced Clams” deal hasn’t been hurtful either.