Med Jet Lear 35A down @ El Cajon/Gillespie
12-28-2021, 06:25 PM
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Med Jet Lear 35A down @ El Cajon/Gillespie
Kathryn's Report: Learjet 35A, N880Z: Fatal accident occurred December 27, 2021 in El Cajon, San Diego County, California
Gillespie Field. Pilot broke out on approach to 17 and asked for VFR to 27R. Asked for runway lights to be made brighter, tower said they were maxed out. Seems to have lost control, Pilot uttered several profanities then screamed.
Some commenters familiar with this airport say it requires a very steep descent to do that maneuver.
Edit: Juan Browne (AA 777 F/O) has a video about this up on his "blancolirio" YouTube Channel:
https://youtu.be/lalLdpFAryI
Gillespie Field. Pilot broke out on approach to 17 and asked for VFR to 27R. Asked for runway lights to be made brighter, tower said they were maxed out. Seems to have lost control, Pilot uttered several profanities then screamed.
Some commenters familiar with this airport say it requires a very steep descent to do that maneuver.
Edit: Juan Browne (AA 777 F/O) has a video about this up on his "blancolirio" YouTube Channel:
https://youtu.be/lalLdpFAryI
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12-28-2021, 08:40 PM
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Was discussing this with a buddy who is familiar with the airport.
Circling at night is prohibited.
Crew flew the GPS17 then cancelled IFR to “maneuver” for runway 27 which is the longer one.
LOC27 requires a 7(!) degree descent angle from 2500’ 3NM from the threshold with rapidly rising terrain.
From what I under this was their home airport where the plane was based.
I’ve never flown a Lear but it’s my understanding from people that have flown the -35 that you need lots of power when cranking and banking in landing configuration.
Doorbell camera shows the crash and the marginal weather:
https://youtu.be/jpsvGPPQxyo
Circling at night is prohibited.
Crew flew the GPS17 then cancelled IFR to “maneuver” for runway 27 which is the longer one.
LOC27 requires a 7(!) degree descent angle from 2500’ 3NM from the threshold with rapidly rising terrain.
From what I under this was their home airport where the plane was based.
I’ve never flown a Lear but it’s my understanding from people that have flown the -35 that you need lots of power when cranking and banking in landing configuration.
Doorbell camera shows the crash and the marginal weather:
https://youtu.be/jpsvGPPQxyo
12-29-2021, 08:24 AM
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Sketchy AF. Big hill on 27R extended CL, maybe 3 miles out. Same hill rises north of CL. You cannot start the base late, and you cannot overshoot.
I've done it in a cessna, but in a lear at night??? With weather??? YHGTBSM.
I've done it in a cessna, but in a lear at night??? With weather??? YHGTBSM.
12-29-2021, 10:33 AM
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Sketchy is an understatement.
Dan Gryder has a video out about this accident. He's calling for better training at the various Sim facilities. Dan doesn't edit out the final radio calls. He also goes into details about this 1985 LearJet. It did not come with T/R's but could have had them retrofitted. No way that jet even with T/R's could have landed on 17 from the RNAV. It's 4145 feet and it was wet. Since night circle is prohibited they went VFR for 27R which is only marginally better at 5342'. Also, the 2 pax were nurses. The Jet was returning to home base after a trip.
https://youtu.be/8pS17RPgqfI?list=TL...MjEaXI7IyDawwA
Dan Gryder has a video out about this accident. He's calling for better training at the various Sim facilities. Dan doesn't edit out the final radio calls. He also goes into details about this 1985 LearJet. It did not come with T/R's but could have had them retrofitted. No way that jet even with T/R's could have landed on 17 from the RNAV. It's 4145 feet and it was wet. Since night circle is prohibited they went VFR for 27R which is only marginally better at 5342'. Also, the 2 pax were nurses. The Jet was returning to home base after a trip.
https://youtu.be/8pS17RPgqfI?list=TL...MjEaXI7IyDawwA
12-29-2021, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by AirBear
Sketchy is an understatement.
Dan Gryder has a video out about this accident. He's calling for better training at the various Sim facilities. Dan doesn't edit out the final radio calls. He also goes into details about this 1985 LearJet. It did not come with T/R's but could have had them retrofitted. No way that jet even with T/R's could have landed on 17 from the RNAV. It's 4145 feet and it was wet. Since night circle is prohibited they went VFR for 27R which is only marginally better at 5342'. Also, the 2 pax were nurses. The Jet was returning to home base after a trip.
https://youtu.be/8pS17RPgqfI?list=TL...MjEaXI7IyDawwA
Dan Gryder has a video out about this accident. He's calling for better training at the various Sim facilities. Dan doesn't edit out the final radio calls. He also goes into details about this 1985 LearJet. It did not come with T/R's but could have had them retrofitted. No way that jet even with T/R's could have landed on 17 from the RNAV. It's 4145 feet and it was wet. Since night circle is prohibited they went VFR for 27R which is only marginally better at 5342'. Also, the 2 pax were nurses. The Jet was returning to home base after a trip.
https://youtu.be/8pS17RPgqfI?list=TL...MjEaXI7IyDawwA
12-29-2021, 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by AirBear
Edit: Juan Browne (AA 777 F/O) has a video about this up on his "blancolirio" YouTube Channel:
https://youtu.be/lalLdpFAryI
https://youtu.be/lalLdpFAryI
12-30-2021, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by paulcg77
Juan is good people and this was a solid video blog, thanks for posting.
AOPA does some fantastic safety videos also that are always worth a watch, sometimes in response to crashes.
12-30-2021, 05:57 PM
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Here's another good video on this accident by a pilot I haven't seen on YouTube before. He has some good info though. Read his notes below the video. They show that the Lear was only 340' AGL at the threshold of 17 when the cancelled and went VFR. Downwind they were 400AGL, the last datapoint when they were turning base had them at 560AGL. The Jet was also just 0.8NM from the runway on downwind. Night Pattern altitude was 1388MSL, 1000AGL. He discusses a perceptual problem when coming in too low that leads to being too tight.
https://youtu.be/8-kVsCi41i0
https://youtu.be/8-kVsCi41i0
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