One reason why part timers, generally enlisted, tended to abuse their GTC to fix their car or buy groceries or diapers etc. (yes sometimes strip clubs but that's another story). They were less afraid of getting yelled at by a part time commander than losing their full-time job or going hungry. Their drill pay wasn't the best after all. Of course, the whole GTC program was/is a dumpster fire that I never understood how the government could legally force someone to get a credit card in their own name unlike a corporate card. But it is the government so normal rules don't apply.

"Stupid" is your opinion.
You don't get to ignore orders, stupid or otherwise.

Do you have ANY idea how many stupid orders are given out?
Burn pits, bad intel, good for the team but bad for you plans?

That's not your decision.

I hope they're dishonorably discharged and lose all pay and benefits.

Perhaps you’ll get your wish, but it seems unlikely. It’s not just the 60,000 or so that haven’t gotten any immunizations, it’s also a lot more WHO ARE JUST AS IN VIOLATION OF THE ORDER as they have not COMPLETED their series and are only PARTIALLY immunized.




And it is a STUPID order because by this time nearly all these people have already HAD COVID and have acquired immunity,and current immunizations for it are only providing about four weeks of immunity anyway. And I never said you didn’t have to enforce even stupid orders, unfortunately you do to keep military discipline. But that STILL doesn’t keep it from being a STUPID order, the juice not being worth the squeeze.

Worse yet, if this results in the DOD having to back down, for either legal or political reasons, they will have shot themselves in the foot…or possibly other parts of their corporate anatomy.

A STUPID ORDER

YOU.....DON'T.....GET......TO......DISOBEY......OR DERS!!!!!!

PERIOD!!!!!

How is this not getting through to your head?

Who said I thought you did? What is the title of the thread?
At least when it comes to legal orders. In my military career I only refused orders three times, because they were illegal. In fairness, in the first instance I was filling the billet previously filled by an exceptionally unethical officer and I think the Colonel was simply testing me since he seemed quite unperturbed when I turned him down. The other two instances were officers senior to me who were not in my direct chain of command, who were pushing me to do something I believed to be illegal and certainly unethical. Both of them backed off with their tails between their legs. Don’t think my career suffered any from any of those episodes.

But we aren’t talking illegal orders here (although not everyone agrees with that assessment: https://thomasmoresociety.org/federa...gious-freedom/), just a stupid order. And it IS a stupid order - certainly at this point.

You guys are just talking past each other. Plenty of other threads to comment on. This one has long outlive it’s usefulness.

you can’t disobey legal orders, this is not a legal order. End of story.

once the military gets FDA approved vaccines then it is a legal order, it’s that simple.

Nobodies buying the idea that marketing name printed on the bottle affects the regulatory status of what's inside.

Follow orders or leave. In peacetime, be glad they're being nice about it and letting you leave without disciplinary action or a bad 214.

a federal judge ruled the two are not interchangeable EUA and FDA approved.

https://www.oom2.com/t77852-huge-fed...20in%20August.

they can’t give a bad dd214 without a court marshal and possible trial, weird thing is they won’t let any of these soldiers(Army National Guard) pursue that path. Also the standard punishments for disobeying orders are LOR’s not removal from the military. This is worst order as far as foggy legalities that I have seen since joining the military.

on the order part, I can’t count how many times I haven’t followed orders, most were minor and really dumb, some were bigger, but I never once thought I would be removed from the military for my “disciplined disobedience”.

I have the shot, but it is tough watching good soldiers under me get punished over a stupid shot that at best case works for a few months, and at worst case is harmful.

I know we will never agree on the legality of the order ( we will let the courts decide I guess) and I’m not going to change your mind, but this mandate is breaking the military, if they continue down the path we are on the military will never be the same. Morale is in the toilet, retention and recruiting numbers are the worse we have seen in 20 years.