Does anyone know about Empire? They called me for an interview and I kinda don't want to go. They told me that they were looking for FO's in the F27 in Wisconson. Does anyone work for them?

SkyHigh

Dude, what happened to wanting to scab for less like you wrote in the Major's forum? Empire is an airline job, albeit not a great, high paying one. But I guess you'd only want to work for relative chump change if you scabbed a major airline pilot's job?

Sorry, just an observation...I understand about taking care of your family, but it seems like a double standard to me.

I'm sorry you haven't gotten hired by a major. But don't hold the fact we got hired and you didn't, against us all. I worked to get my major airline job...I got hired by two, and only knew one person at one...the other I landed with my dazzling personality...or could it be the 2500 heavy jet hours, 1500 PIC, or the instructor/evaluator ratings that I earned in the military? Or maybe a combination of all...?

I truly wish you luck in your airline career pursuits, well, short of scabbing, that is. I hope everything works out for you and especially your family.

MD11,

Well there are no scabbing opportunities currently.

What makes you think I have put in my time? I am sorry too that I haven't made it to a good job. However, back when it was my turn the military wasn't hiring. Things could have turned out very differently for you had things not heated up for the military. It is arrogance just like what you have displayed why I would feel obligated to step in if you decided that your fat paycheck wasn't good enough anymore. I don't think I would really become a scab, but I wouldn't bare any malice for those who did.

Even though I am sure that you put in some effort to get where you are the majors are still a country club for a few who belong to the right groups. From your perspective I am sure that you feel like you sacrificed. It probably makes for a good story at the officers club about the mean instructors that you had to endure. It doesnt look like much of a hardship to me however. Keep telling yourself that you are better though.

It wouldn't hurt my feelings to see the status quo turned upside down. I think that day is coming. Ergo the scab talk. Us underlings need to find a way to negotiate our way into the clubhouse too.

Thanks for the best wishes, and though we may disagree I would like to extend the same to you and your family. It would be nice to have a few beers togather someday. We could talk about fly fishing or something.


SkyHigh

Scab

weekend flying is for fun. Flying during the week is a career. Get it?

8,

Is the weekend thing working out for you? You make it sound so nice.

SkyHigh

If you don't want that F/O position here in WI, I know someone who would.

SF

Skyhi, you make it sound like working for Con Air (Natl) was the highlight of your career and you were not going to ever do better than that. I've flown with a bunch of ex Nat'l guys and no one ever felt that way. Same for guys at North American, World, Omni, Trans Meridian, Ryan, and another dozen semi scheds and nonscheds that live on the fringe of the domestic and international market. Nothing wrong with flying for those carriers, its interesting flying and you are flying bigger jets but that's not the end of the line unless they are your airline of last resort due to age or any other circumstance that you come up with.

We were hiring National guys when they shut down, where were you? If you don't want to fly for a feeder carrier then don't waste your time with the Empires out there. Concentrate on the jet carriers, although the longer you are out of a seat the less chance you have on getting on with anyone, even as a scab. My Dad flew for United and the way they treated scabs was pretty ugly. Lots of BS gets put out on the internet, the stuff about the living conditions for a scab is real.

Dear Cactus,

Life at AWA was inconsistent with the needs of my family. The same goes for the others that you mentioned. I took a big risk with National Airlines. My goals for working there were to use it as a platform to move on to bigger and better things. Sadly N7 caved in before I could harvest any benefit. I agree that my career momentum is fading away, however there is little that I can do about it. I need to provide for my family and most jobs these days can't even support a high school kids financial needs.

One of the things that I learned while at N7 was that pilots who work for those fringe airlines end up living like Gipsy's moving all over the world to keep the dream alive. They jump from failing company to failing company usually leaving a trail of family members along the way. The price of starting over again every few years left them with no savings and little hope of retirement.

I believe that responsible adults need to provide a secure and stable environment for their own financial health and for the benefit of a happy family. In the airlines that means working for an established and successful company by the age of 35. Now that I am way past that bench mark I need to examine other methods of achieving those goals.

I had to turn down my interview with Empire. Maybe some day I can try again.

SkyHigh