that was a bs article from a newspaper. Come on do you really think nwa said "thousands" of dal pilots would go to the bottom of the list? That article did exactly what it was intending, stir the pot.

Well, I don't think it came from Delta management. There is talk of going it alone. Apparently the numbers are good.

In my opinion, don't believe the media, they do anything to get a story. Keep this quote in mind when you read or watch the news, even though it is from a James Bond movie I feel it is their motto:

Quote: "There is no news like bad news" (Elliott Carver, Tomorrow Never Dies).

I'm curious why you always think that the leaks are from the nwa side?

Because they are published in the Detroit papers first, quote NWA ALPA officials in the same paragraph and the Atlanta paper could't get the scoop on a fire in their own lobby.

I'm joking but in this case that isn't the type of rumor a D-ALPA type would have made up. It does not fit, they are trying to keep folks calm. They want the "right" merger with the growth, pay restoration and stake in the Company. They want to be relevant to the process. The rumors are at odds with their agenda - so an emotional rumor that hurts unity does not fit with what they want.

I don't know who is leaking what, but I do think it is fairly obvious what is going on...

It is widely accepted/believed among the DAL folks that DALPA's opening offer was DOH if the company would buy out the top 2000 or so NWA guys and send them into retirement paradise. This would put the two groups on fairly equal footing as far as average time on property goes. This did not fly because DAL would not fund it. Now you have an impasse...Hmmmmm? To say the managers want this merger is a huge under statement. The longer it takes, the more nervous they will get...and the more willing they become to pony up the funds to make it happen. I think ALPA finally has a strong hand and they are playing it well!

The beauty is neither pilot group needs this merger, but the CEO's do! So let's not argue over which pilot group has to give up what, but focus on what the companies need to fork over to make a merger beneficial for all pilots. Maybe I am an optimist, but I think that is exactly what the two negotiating teams are doing.

This looks like it is right out of the Continental Management's playbook. Leak information to the press about how the selfish pilot group is holding up pay raises and benefits so that fellow workers start putting pressure on the pilots.

Well said!!

Looks like the NWA guys are trying to "Republic" DAL pilots. It would be a shame if the whole deal went down the toilet due top pilot greed.

Just another reason for a NSL.

Fact: The Delta pilots had a merger committee running and funded for over a year.

Rumor: The NWA pilots were unprepared and were fighting amongst themselves with hard feelings about mergers from the previous attempts at integrating their own list.

Also understand the DAL negotiating team went home.

- report is only rumor -

There are numerous reports that the "rumors" of NWA pilots wanting to put several thousand DAL pilots at the bottom and 400 or 500 NWA pilots at the top were in fact accurate reports, as were the rumors of the concept of ratios that would leave everyone in their same relative position. Again, rumors. But these rumors fit with reputation and known facts.

FACT: Delta revsed their 2008 hiring plan upwards by at least 25% & is talking about the success of their stand alone plan. Don't know if there is a correlation.


IMHO the NWA pilots will kill this deal and the Delta pilots will be happy about it.