I had a US Airways :LGA-based Airbus CA look my captain and I in the eye one day (after he asked for a jumpseat!) and tell us that we, as 50 seat regional pilots, "make too much money and that's why we were in bankruptcy twice".

Had another Airways CA, on the cockpit jumpseat this time, absolutely rail on us for flying RJs on routes they used to have 737s on...like it was our choice.

Wear that ALPA pin with pride of you want...they're big boys, they can take it.

Buddy, no one at Airways hates ALPA. Well yes maybe most. They are just sick of paying good dues and getting hosed by what is supposed to be a group that supports the pilots. When the union hoses you worse than managmenet, then there is a problem.

There's jerks at every airline. There are a hell of a lot of nice guys to.

Not sure I follow that logic...so those two trips through bankruptcy caused less damage to the career expectations of AAA pilots than ALPA did?

See what ALPA has created: "Pilots against Pilots" and those of you that bite it hook line and sinker by bashing other pilots should be ashamed.

Bankruptcy was who's fault again? Not the pilots. They gave up their retirement and most of their pay to keep the airline afloat. That is if you buy into airlines constantly saying, "We'll shut this place down if you don't give". Every airline I've worked for has said that. Crandall said that he'd shut down all of American if the Flagship Eagle pilots did not give him the contract he wanted. Sure buddy. And I've got some swamp land to sell you.

The east pilots saved the airline and thus deserve a little more than getting screwed.

Why do you buy into this thinking that if a company is in bankruptcy then their employees aren't worth anything? I don't understand that.

Congrats East! Keep fighting the good fight. Prater hasn't had any union experience since 1984, and this shows. Good to see a union acting like a union.

I don't understand why US Air pilots, who are so angry about the seniority arbitration, felt it is a good idea to take out their anger on ALPA and vote out the most powerful pilots union.


I understand why US Air guys are upset. I feel the junior east guys should not have been stapled below the most junior AWA guy. But honestly, what are they trying to accomplish by voting in USAPA.

I'm glad you don't understand that like of thinking, because I don't either, nor did I ever insinuate that I did. Of course the bankruptcies weren't the fault of AAA pilots! Everybody knows this...that isn't the issue.

Saying ALPA "hosed" AAA pilots worse than management, however, is the issue.

What were AAA pilots "owed", and who owed it to them? Sure AAA pilots got a screw job through no fault of their own, but in my mind AWA pilots weren't responsible for further bearing the bad luck that had befallen the careers of AAA pilots.

I'll concede the MDA list debacle...the AAA MEC should have ensured those names were on the list provided to Nicholau. That aside, I have no problem whatsoever with active pilots being placed above furloughed pilots on the arbitrated list, regardless of anybody's DOH or seniority or age. The date the merger was announced, some pilots had jobs and others did not...that had to be and in my eyes was taken into account in the final award.

My uncle, a retired O-5 in the AF, was furloughed by AAA sometime around the 2nd bankruptcy. He's long since turned 60 and taken "early retirement", but I had no problem looking him in the eye and telling him he didn't deserve to be above an active West pilot...I'd have no problems telling anyone else that either.

I do genuinely wish the USAPA the best of luck going forward...and sincerely hope this isn't the basis of a seniority and airframe grab at the expense of West pilots.

west guys won't be joining so no unity+no money=no chance!