Captain (1954) Fighter pilot 1975 till 1996 with the Turkish Airforce and since 1996 working for Turkish Airlines also Company Flight Instructor.

first officer (1967) pilot since1989 with Turkish Airforce and last 2 years working for Turkish Airlines.

firstofficer (1980) pilot and working for Turkish Airlines since 2004.

Ha! Maybe so, but I really don't care .. I am actually quiet open with it even with my own company! Of course there are exceptions but a majority of those guys (ones I have flown with not talking about anyone else) never made a good transition from fighters to commercial planes. The best pilots I have flown with are commercial guys, and not military. It's just an opinion, don't get me wrong, I have tons of respect for AF pilots.

Five Turkish citizens and four Americans died on board that flight according to CNN...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe...ash/index.html

Prelim suggest's engine failure .

Dual or single.

And I'll throw my two cents behind Olympic here too. I've flown with many nationalities in a number of different circumstances (Jet's, TP's, Piston, Airline, Air Attack) and I find what he says to be quite true on average.

seems confirmed 2 pilots and one f/a dead. does anyone accuratley know if there was a 3rd pilot on board? either in training or deadheading?...several witnesses, including passengers have said the engines went to full power seconds before impact. the turkish pilot union is saying it was wake turbulence from a 757...= I say that is hogwash. I am more inclined towards mechanical issues, mel's or even flight training accident if in fact the f/0 was receiving such.... I am almost 80% sure the gpws was yelling...g/s, pull-up , terrain etc.

From eyewitness accounts it was dual.

Pax walked away from this and yet the cockpit crew did not ,which brings me to this and that is maybe it's time for the designer's of these a/c to come up with a system where the crew has a better chance of survival in instances like this in which decelleration forces are the cause of a fatality.

AAHH, some pax are saying they heard the engines spool up just before impact. We just don't know yet.

Looks (VERY preliminary) like it was vertical deceleration. I'm thinking the airplane impacted somewhat nose down at a very steep angle, and the fore end somehow took most of the shock - rest of the airplane just went SPLAT. All three pilots dead, and if the majority of the dead and seriously injured are forward this theory would be borne out. Survivors stated that many had back "lesions" - lots of broken backs would also support this "guess". We'll know soon enough.

Yeah, maybe cockpit armor plate with foam rubber backing ...