fredex attempts to blackmail the government
03-25-2009, 06:02 AM
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Way to go FRED......destroy others right to a better life and working conditions so you can save a buck...
....Why is FRED so afraid of UNIONS.....could it be he knows he is screwing those who make his company what it is???.....
I hope he has jobs for those Boeing workers who could be displaced by his principles.
....Why is FRED so afraid of UNIONS.....could it be he knows he is screwing those who make his company what it is???.....
I hope he has jobs for those Boeing workers who could be displaced by his principles.
03-25-2009, 06:40 AM
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Blackmail? Extortion? Powerful words.
All because of a clause in a contract. You are some naive folks. If one puts down serious coin on a purchase that is dependent on certain economic assumptions for a successful outcome, you should have clauses in your contract to back out if you need to. If you don't you are assuming more risk than you should. Read--not being as smart as you could be.
Jealousy is such an ugly emotion.
All because of a clause in a contract. You are some naive folks. If one puts down serious coin on a purchase that is dependent on certain economic assumptions for a successful outcome, you should have clauses in your contract to back out if you need to. If you don't you are assuming more risk than you should. Read--not being as smart as you could be.
Jealousy is such an ugly emotion.
03-25-2009, 06:52 AM
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We all know that Fred Smith is anti-union. As Sideshow Bob stated earlier, "Fred Smith has balls" to try something like this, at this time. For the sake of the non union contractors I hope they eventually get a union. Every employee deserves to have similar benefits. If the public doesn't want socialized medicine, or social security benefits then I believe it should be provided by the employer as a benefit of committing a career to their company (I also think that said company should get tax breaks for providing those benefits). As a Brown employee I honestly hope the playing field will eventually be leveled by having a predominately unionized labor force. I know that at UPS, labor unions are certainly necessary, but I can't speak for FedEx since I don't work there.
03-25-2009, 09:30 AM
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If Employees.....
felt like their employer cared about their welfare then unions would not be needed.
Sadly in this industry we do things for our employer all because "ITS FOR THE COMPANY" .. reality though if we bust a FAR in the process it is our butts on the line and we potentially lose our CERTS....The company has their Attorneys...Do You.....This is where the union comes in as they will provide representation for the hearings at no charge at least mine does.
Fred is showing his true colors holding hostage the welfare of Boeing workers so he can be sure to take care of his own interest...
SELFISHNESS and ARROGANCE
Sadly in this industry we do things for our employer all because "ITS FOR THE COMPANY" .. reality though if we bust a FAR in the process it is our butts on the line and we potentially lose our CERTS....The company has their Attorneys...Do You.....This is where the union comes in as they will provide representation for the hearings at no charge at least mine does.
Fred is showing his true colors holding hostage the welfare of Boeing workers so he can be sure to take care of his own interest...
SELFISHNESS and ARROGANCE
03-25-2009, 10:02 AM
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If Unions....
were so great congress would not need to eliminate the secret ballot to help shove them down reluctant employee throats.
You girls are taking this much to personally. This was a clause in a contract. Fred wrote the contract with his current business model in mind. If UPS and their stooges in congress change his business model fred may or may not need to change the contract.
You girls are taking this much to personally. This was a clause in a contract. Fred wrote the contract with his current business model in mind. If UPS and their stooges in congress change his business model fred may or may not need to change the contract.
03-25-2009, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
were so great congress would not need to eliminate the secret ballot to help shove them down reluctant employee throats.
You girls are taking this much to personally. This was a clause in a contract. Fred wrote the contract with his current business model in mind. If UPS and their stooges in congress change his business model fred may or may not need to change the contract.
You girls are taking this much to personally. This was a clause in a contract. Fred wrote the contract with his current business model in mind. If UPS and their stooges in congress change his business model fred may or may not need to change the contract.
Its just business. With a 30+% advantage on cost would you not go after this as well??
03-25-2009, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JustUnderPar
Hello pot....this is the___________.
Its just business. With a 30+% advantage on cost would you not go after this as well??
Its just business. With a 30+% advantage on cost would you not go after this as well??
Exactly, reread the posts on these two threads. You have Fedex guys (generally) saying this is business. You have UPS guys (including known union sympathizer AVG Joe
) saying what a peice of excrement Fred is for doing everything he can to keep his costs inline. I can't understand it. 
03-27-2009, 11:02 PM
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FedEx in Fight With Organized Labor
FedEx in Fight With Organized Labor
Ted Reed
03/27/09 - 04:54 PM EDT
Updated from 11:27 a.m. EDT
As organized labor has gained ascendance with the election of a Democratic president and a Democratic Congress, FedEx(FDX Quote - Cramer on FDX - Stock Picks) has staked out a position as a leader of the opposition.
Democratic gains have boosted support for two measures that are important to labor organizing -- and anathema to FedEx. One is the Employee Free Choice Act, or "card-check" bill.
It would enable a union to be recognized if a majority of employees sign cards requesting one, rather than allowing companies to call for secret-ballot elections. It would also enable either side to request binding arbitration if a contract agreement cannot be reached within 120 days of an election.
The momentum in favor of card check slowed this week, when Sen. Arlen Specter (R., Pa.), who had been considered a key swing vote, reversed a previous indication of support and said he would oppose the bill. Now the act's future is unclear.
Also in play is FedEx's classification under labor law. A change could potentially make it easier for unions to organize and would require FedEx to be treated in the same way as its principal competitor, UPS(UPS Quote - Cramer on UPS - Stock Picks).
FedEx stridently opposes the change, saying congressional approval would force it to abandon plans to order 30 new aircraft from Boeing(BA Quote - Cramer on BA - Stock Picks), potentially dealing a blow to the fragile economy.
At a rally in Los Angeles on Thursday, Teamster leaders, social activists and U.S. Rep. Linda Sanchez (D., Calif.), excoriated FedEx and released a report entitled: "Keeping FedEx Jobs in the Middle Class in Los Angeles."
Teamsters General President Jim Hoffa says the report "tells us what we know (about) the vicious anti-labor atmosphere that prevails at FedEx" and "shines a light on the cockroaches at FedEx."
Sanchez said FedEx is "trying to create a hostage situation by threatening to pull contracts from Boeing, (but) we will not be cowed into submission."
FedEx spokesman Maury Lane says he's heard it all before. "Every time (Teamster) revenue and membership decline, they pick FedEx to help replenish their numbers and coffers," he said. "It has been this way for over 25 years."
FedEx speaks out regularly against card check, most recently on a March earnings conference call when CEO Fred Smith said "we don't agree with the concept of doing away with the secret ballot," while general counsel Chris Richards said that mandatory arbitration means "a person who knows nothing about the industry or knows little would be setting those wages and benefits."
Most organizing at FedEx currently falls under the Railway Labor Act, which requires companywide employee voting, which is challenging for unions.
By contrast, UPS labor organizing falls under the National Labor Relations Act, which allows workers to organize on a location-by-location basis. That makes it far easier for unions to get a foot in the door. The Teamsters represent 240,000 UPS workers.
In 1996, the Senate inserted a provision in the Federal Aviation Administration reauthorization bill, assuring that the Railway Labor Act covers FedEx, even though Congress had removed a similar provision from applicable laws a year earlier. Now, a pending FAA reauthorization bill would again remove the protection FedEx enjoys.
Lane says FedEx agreed to buy 777s in January, "in a very challenging economic period, when most companies were not making economic commitments." The agreement ends if the company's labor status changes. Union organizing could subject FedEx to "local disruptions," he says, and, "There's no way we can enter into an agreement (without) certainty about our ability to fully utilize these aircraft."
Reminded that UPS operates successfully despite falling under the National Labor Relations Act, Lane said the two companies are different. UPS was a trucking company that created an airline, while FedEx started as an airline, operating under a law created to help key transportation providers avoid labor disruptions.
UPS is larger, with revenue of $51 billion and 425,000 employees, including 355,000 in the U.S. FedEx has revenue of $23 billion and 290,000 employees and contractors, including 230,000 in the U.S. The airline division, FedEx Express, has 143,000 workers: They are covered by the Railway Labor Act.
Because the remainder includes foreign workers, 14,000 drivers who are independent contractors, and many part-time package sorters, all groups unlikely to seek union representation, the Teamsters and the International Association of Machinists have focused on periodic efforts to organize airline workers, particularly drivers and mechanics. (FedEx pilots are represented by a pilots union.)
The IAM, the nation's biggest airline union, says it would renew organizing efforts at FedEx if Congress alters the company's classification. "We would certainly seek to organize the automotive mechanics, the customer service agents and the ground workers," said Robert Roach, general vice president of the International Association of Machinists.
Roach said workers at Flying Tiger Airlines were represented by the IAM before FedEx bought it in the mid-1980s. The union currently represents about 4,000 mechanics at UPS. Roach says having the two companies covered by different laws "is unfair to workers at both UPS and FedEx because workers suffer when you have different standards at a competitor."
As for UPS, it believes that under existing labor laws, "you have some truly illogical and disparate treatment of companies that do the exact same thing," says spokesman Norman Black. "We believe there can be no justification for treating these employees differently. We're glad to see that Congress is moving to correct the inconsistency."
FedEx shares closed down $1.30, or 2.8% to $45.68. UPS shares finished lower by 35 cents or 0.7% to $50.11.
Ted Reed
03/27/09 - 04:54 PM EDT
Updated from 11:27 a.m. EDT
As organized labor has gained ascendance with the election of a Democratic president and a Democratic Congress, FedEx(FDX Quote - Cramer on FDX - Stock Picks) has staked out a position as a leader of the opposition.
Democratic gains have boosted support for two measures that are important to labor organizing -- and anathema to FedEx. One is the Employee Free Choice Act, or "card-check" bill.
It would enable a union to be recognized if a majority of employees sign cards requesting one, rather than allowing companies to call for secret-ballot elections. It would also enable either side to request binding arbitration if a contract agreement cannot be reached within 120 days of an election.
The momentum in favor of card check slowed this week, when Sen. Arlen Specter (R., Pa.), who had been considered a key swing vote, reversed a previous indication of support and said he would oppose the bill. Now the act's future is unclear.
Also in play is FedEx's classification under labor law. A change could potentially make it easier for unions to organize and would require FedEx to be treated in the same way as its principal competitor, UPS(UPS Quote - Cramer on UPS - Stock Picks).
FedEx stridently opposes the change, saying congressional approval would force it to abandon plans to order 30 new aircraft from Boeing(BA Quote - Cramer on BA - Stock Picks), potentially dealing a blow to the fragile economy.
At a rally in Los Angeles on Thursday, Teamster leaders, social activists and U.S. Rep. Linda Sanchez (D., Calif.), excoriated FedEx and released a report entitled: "Keeping FedEx Jobs in the Middle Class in Los Angeles."
Teamsters General President Jim Hoffa says the report "tells us what we know (about) the vicious anti-labor atmosphere that prevails at FedEx" and "shines a light on the cockroaches at FedEx."
Sanchez said FedEx is "trying to create a hostage situation by threatening to pull contracts from Boeing, (but) we will not be cowed into submission."
FedEx spokesman Maury Lane says he's heard it all before. "Every time (Teamster) revenue and membership decline, they pick FedEx to help replenish their numbers and coffers," he said. "It has been this way for over 25 years."
FedEx speaks out regularly against card check, most recently on a March earnings conference call when CEO Fred Smith said "we don't agree with the concept of doing away with the secret ballot," while general counsel Chris Richards said that mandatory arbitration means "a person who knows nothing about the industry or knows little would be setting those wages and benefits."
Most organizing at FedEx currently falls under the Railway Labor Act, which requires companywide employee voting, which is challenging for unions.
By contrast, UPS labor organizing falls under the National Labor Relations Act, which allows workers to organize on a location-by-location basis. That makes it far easier for unions to get a foot in the door. The Teamsters represent 240,000 UPS workers.
In 1996, the Senate inserted a provision in the Federal Aviation Administration reauthorization bill, assuring that the Railway Labor Act covers FedEx, even though Congress had removed a similar provision from applicable laws a year earlier. Now, a pending FAA reauthorization bill would again remove the protection FedEx enjoys.
Lane says FedEx agreed to buy 777s in January, "in a very challenging economic period, when most companies were not making economic commitments." The agreement ends if the company's labor status changes. Union organizing could subject FedEx to "local disruptions," he says, and, "There's no way we can enter into an agreement (without) certainty about our ability to fully utilize these aircraft."
Reminded that UPS operates successfully despite falling under the National Labor Relations Act, Lane said the two companies are different. UPS was a trucking company that created an airline, while FedEx started as an airline, operating under a law created to help key transportation providers avoid labor disruptions.
UPS is larger, with revenue of $51 billion and 425,000 employees, including 355,000 in the U.S. FedEx has revenue of $23 billion and 290,000 employees and contractors, including 230,000 in the U.S. The airline division, FedEx Express, has 143,000 workers: They are covered by the Railway Labor Act.
Because the remainder includes foreign workers, 14,000 drivers who are independent contractors, and many part-time package sorters, all groups unlikely to seek union representation, the Teamsters and the International Association of Machinists have focused on periodic efforts to organize airline workers, particularly drivers and mechanics. (FedEx pilots are represented by a pilots union.)
The IAM, the nation's biggest airline union, says it would renew organizing efforts at FedEx if Congress alters the company's classification. "We would certainly seek to organize the automotive mechanics, the customer service agents and the ground workers," said Robert Roach, general vice president of the International Association of Machinists.
Roach said workers at Flying Tiger Airlines were represented by the IAM before FedEx bought it in the mid-1980s. The union currently represents about 4,000 mechanics at UPS. Roach says having the two companies covered by different laws "is unfair to workers at both UPS and FedEx because workers suffer when you have different standards at a competitor."
As for UPS, it believes that under existing labor laws, "you have some truly illogical and disparate treatment of companies that do the exact same thing," says spokesman Norman Black. "We believe there can be no justification for treating these employees differently. We're glad to see that Congress is moving to correct the inconsistency."
FedEx shares closed down $1.30, or 2.8% to $45.68. UPS shares finished lower by 35 cents or 0.7% to $50.11.
03-28-2009, 06:01 AM
#39
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Management's sole 'raison d'être' is to maximize shareholder wealth. That involves paying their machines (people) as little as possible to get the job done. Why does this surprise anyone?
Besides, sometimes the proverbial gun to the government's head is just what the the doctor ordered. A company only gets the union it deserves. Fred knows this and knows it well. Keeping them out is in his best interest and the interest of his rich pals.
Besides, sometimes the proverbial gun to the government's head is just what the the doctor ordered. A company only gets the union it deserves. Fred knows this and knows it well. Keeping them out is in his best interest and the interest of his rich pals.
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