There's a few threads on Horizon going, but I'm going to shoot this out here on this one. Any rumors on how the negotiaions are going, or will be going? I'm curious to see how the pay comes out, I'm expecting it to drop. I'd really like to see the upgrade times there get cut in half, but to do that the pay might have to do the same. Anyway, if anyone has heard anything please share.

Upgrades are not going to be cut in half because we are not getting enough new airplanes to compensate for the lack of movement at the top. Also, there is a large amount of lifers here. Pay is a sticky one, as long as we all don't cave in it should stay the same or slightly better. One thing is for sure, the negotiations are going to get ugly. I love the company, but I could manage a starbucks for the same pay, and have more time at home.

Ok, thanks for that info. I fly on Horizon quit a bit and everyone, and I mean everyone, seems real happy there. Always smiling. I love the places they fly as well. I don't want to wait 6 or 7 years for an upgrade though, and can't bring myself to work for less. I know there's lifers there. My good buddy's uncle is one. They just won't leave will they. Thanks

Not with the LTD plan and 401(k) match we currently get. The upgrade has been slowly coming down, I think eventually it will stabilize around 4.5-5 yrs.

I'll be curious to see what happens to the upgrade times. Latest news is QX agreed to sublease 16 Q200's to Commutair starting next year. Word is Commutair would like ALL the Q200's Horizon has. That's a heck of a lot more than the original plans to retire only 9 baby dash's next year. Standby to standby on the upgrade time, I'd say QX management has some issues to look at. As for the contract negotiations, I'd say they're going to REAL ugly before it's all said and done, but I don't think the pay will change. Might see (I know this is a LOOOONG stretch) some 90 seat RJ's for the same pay as the 70 seaters. Who knows, it's aviation - the only constant thing is change

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The only way this is going to happen is if a bunch of overzealous young pilots believe management that their upgrade time will decrease. If this type of proposal is on the table, I will emphatically vote NO! You don't fly a bigger airplane for smaller pay. Do you think Starbucks would charge less for a bigger cup of coffee? Hell no! Tell all your RJ buddies to stop listening to management and get on the union message board!.....and yes, it does make me mad when I hear someone who actually flies for Horizon say anything remotely about pay cuts.

You tell 'em, QCappy! Took the words right out of my mouth. Oh, and we RJ types ARE on the union messaging board!

What's CommutAir going to do with all them Dashs? They'll need to double their number of pilots.

Me thinks flying for CAL out of EWR and CLE to pick up some of the slack coming off ExpressJet. CAL just announced their order for some Q400s and it looks like Commutair might be flying those. Plus they need bigger equipment than the smelly ol' 1900s theyre flying now. It should be criminal to pack human beings into the back of those things. Besides, they look dumb in the basic US Airways colors with Continental Connection painted on.