Checkride failures

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The question of addressing failed checkrides has been in the news recently. A question from the 'Ask a pilot recruiter' forum asking whether stage checkrides at a Part 141 school would/should be reported to the FAA/interviewer during an airline interview. This prompted my question about failures during military flight training"

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What is the usual answer about any military failures - all the way from **downs** or **SODs** (Signals of Difficulty) in military training commands to the failures of a NATOPS/Instrument simulator or an AF upgrade ride/section lead or division lead checkride?
Have any of the other military aviators here on APC been asked this question during an interview?

USMCFLYR
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The first airline (the old National Airlines) I was hired at asked if I had any checkride failures in the military.
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Quote: The first airline (the old National Airlines) I was hired at asked if I had any checkride failures in the military.
And with that question - would you answer a failure of any single training flight as a failure - or only something with "checkride" after it's name?

USMCFLYR
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Anything with the word checkride after it...don't think a single failure of a ride during training would or should qualify...the pilot is learning and then will be tested (checkride) on the training.
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This was one of my beefs with this whole CF-PRIA thing post 3407. Retrieving these records under FOIA will take forever. In my close-out records, all it has are the aircraft qualifications, total hours, and the date of the last checkride.
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I inteviewed with COMAIR in early 08 before the rest of the industry stopped hiring. Having never interviewed for any professional job, I did the interview for experience and am glad I did. During the interview I was asked if I had ever failed a checkride, to which I honestly answered no. I was then asked if I had ever had unsatisfactory performance on a flight to which I answered yes. I then gave them the quick and dirty on a early stage BFM ride in the FRS(RTU equiv.) which didn't go so well for me. I told them what I did wrong as it related to airmanship and what I learned from it and moved on. I was offered the job but declined a class date. My personal feelings on this topic are to be up front and honest to the question that is asked. If the word checkride is in the question, then i would submit any instrument or NATOPS(systems) check would be fair game. I would also argue that any tactical upgrade(check flight) would be fair game as well. I would not offer up information that is not asked directly. Just my .02.
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Quote: And with that question - would you answer a failure of any single training flight as a failure - or only something with "checkride" after it's name?

USMCFLYR

I think you answered your own question.

Tell them only what they ask.

I failed a checkride in UPT and nobody cared. I did learn a lesson and that is what I told the interviewer. That seems to be what they care about - how you take responsibility for your mistakes, and don't blame others.

PS The guy that hooked me was a tool, and if I ever cross paths with him, I will give him the what for. Seriously, though, he was a jerk.
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During my SWA interview they asked me to bring my FEF folder (record of Air Force Form 8's - checkrides). This includes just official checkrides both mission and instrument since graduating pilot training (SUPT/ENJJPT checkrides are not form 8's and thus not tracked). Every pilot on the board that day was an ex AF fighter type but one token Navy -18 driver, so they knew what they were looking at.
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As others stated, just answer the question exactly what is asked.
Lots of airline pilots have busted a recurrent sim, etc. They learn and press on. A busted checkride in the commercial world does not have quite the same stigma has it does to a military pilot. I busted a military checkride, answered in the affirm, told them what a bonehead I was and what I learned. The folks hiring know that you have been screened by a very credible organization with alot of sets of eyeballs and still made it through to completion (same in a 141 school).
Additionally, in any pilot interview, there is the "Is this person honest' question that needs to be answered. My recommendation is get a "I don't know the answer to that one, but no where to look" out early <g>. Otherwise, they will dig until they can determine that answer. If they think you are BS'ing them, you are done. Always got a job offer.
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AirTran and UPS didn't ask, but I fessed up at both interviews during the "Do you have anything to add or tell us part?" neither cared and both found the associated stories quite humorous
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