This is what you want to see.

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2...Equivalent.htm

What video game is that from. US Airways 215 K in 1997?

This is total compensation. USAirways in 1997 was living under the glory days of the combined Piedmont/USAir contracts.

I had no idea they had that kind of contract back then

And the flawed (or corrupt) logic with that lies in the fact that we were
manipulated to take forced, borderline criminal, wage cuts overseen by the court.
To say that our current wages should hinge on those manipulated numbers is like saying after
the mob has been removed, you'll now give the mob deduction to some other group which makes it ok.
The wages were not negotiated, they were forced, and I'll strike over that alone.
Just can't believe guys are willing to give themselves paycuts from C2K because of the corrupt bankruptcy forced deals.
Don't doubt Herndon/NMB see it the way you said, but I will not support nor vote for that line of thinking or those numbers.

Really? You can't see going back to a free market negotiated wage, from a corrupt bankruptcy court forced wage?
Is that what capitalism has come to? If I can invalidate our agreement due to bankruptcy, I can take whatever I want?
Can the bank use bankruptcy to validate taking your home because the sale of it will allow the bank to exit bankruptcy?
That's basically what happened with the pensions and it was so bad they changed the bankruptcy code afterwards.

I really don't care if you guys want to call it present wage + xx% or C2K + x%, my point is the final compensation should be back at pre-bankruptcy numbers. Period.

Think about it, if you want less than C2K, you are voting to give yourself
a paycut with a healthier current company, from the previous better contract with a weaker company.
Iow you're asking to pay yourself less now than in 2001, while the present company is healthier and more profitable than it was in 2001.
I will vote NO loud and clear for any concession to the Contract 2000 agreement.
That includes scope, work rules and pay. It really saddens me to see people lower their expectations through being abused.
It's time to take it back. This merger, to being the largest airline in the world, easily has the synergies and justifies doing so.
Pay up now UAL mgmt.

I could appreciate that if we were coming off a regular contract. We however are exiting a artificially low, lender required, bankruptcy wage. If our co worker, retro pay recipient, in chief insists this is the new normal, I can assure you , the outcome will not be pretty.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that a lot of it had to do with their "parity+" language.

This is why expectations are so low in the industry now. Too many pilots hired in the past decade at regionals don't realize how much was lost at mainline.

You have to ask yourself why are there so many regional pilots that don't realize how it used to be? Perhaps if WE the major carriers had not given so much scope relief there wouldn't be so many of THEM. With the greater number of THEM the negotiating bar was lowered on US.

I would love to see a big raise. However, to even believe that ALPA would be negotiating on C2K rates from the UAL contract is absurd. That contract was not sustainable the day it was signed. In that situation we had a leader in Jim Goodwin that was a bozo and was painted into a corner by Dubo. ALPA was using the strong arm tactics that had worked in the past and it was successful in getting Goodwin to basically sign anything to get the contract in place. However, if you go back and read the analyst reports after the contract it was evident the contract did not make financial sense to the corporation.

In my opinion that will be the last big win ALPA ever achieves. The game has changed and the new leaders of the airlines don't believe ALPA is relevant and they will work around via the court system in any manner they need to achieve their goals.

ALPA has lost its rudder. Time to rethink our representation. Bring it in house and let ALPA represent the RJ's groups. The conflict of interest by ALPA is huge and the only way to assure our future is to take it into our own hands.

Really? I thought we ALL voted and those new contracts were passed by the majority. If you want to strike you may be a solo member.

Again those were negotiated deals.




Is there a box on the ballot for "loud and clear"? Come on man you are going to give yourself a coronary. Let the JNC do its job. If you don't like the deal vote NO. If it fails and we move to a strike then so be it. But pumping yourself up on a web forum is juvenile.

Here is my question to you. If the contract is signed and passed by a majority and it doesn't meet your own personal threshold for greatness, are you willing to walk away? If you say you are not going to hold to your guns walk to walk if the majority doesn't agree with you, then please step away from the keyboard.