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I think you're confusing controllers with C2 agencies. CRC, AWACS, DASC, ASOC, though often pressed into blurry grey areas in certain A/O's, are not controllers. But they will typically understand and operate using brevity comm (albeit to a proficiency level that makes them equal parts dangerous and frustrating
). [not talking to you USMCFLYR, just trying to keep the discussion on point]
Point taken - but I have enough hours under my military belt to know the difference between the Agencies you listed and the ATC type of controllers, and it has been MY experience that military controllers understood the term just perfectly - ESPECIALLY CONTROLLERS out on the boat (though I'll have to take the word of some of my more seasoned CVN peers to confirm this). Originally Posted by BFMthisA10
Actually, military controllers would be just as unfamiliar with the term as their civilian counterparts. Sitting SOF, I would often field quizzical looks from the controllers asking "*** did he just say?"I think you're confusing controllers with C2 agencies. CRC, AWACS, DASC, ASOC, though often pressed into blurry grey areas in certain A/O's, are not controllers. But they will typically understand and operate using brevity comm (albeit to a proficiency level that makes them equal parts dangerous and frustrating
). [not talking to you USMCFLYR, just trying to keep the discussion on point]
Maybe this is a USAF -vs- USN/USMC difference? I glad to say that you have more time spent sitting SOF than I do
, but I've been in the environment a few times at least.Quote:
I had the unique opportunity to go from military aviation (Nav) to a civil school (university flight program) and back home to MilAv. I found that I had to be careful in the civil world of keying the mic and spouting what came naturally. Terms like RTB and tally would generate derision from my CFI's, even if the controllers didn't skip a beat. I would have never imagined throwing a "Bingo" out on the radio. UFB
Oh I get those same looks from some of the sole civilian trained guys I fly with now when I accidentally let a military term slip out - especially if they come from a ATC background which quite a few do in my job.I had the unique opportunity to go from military aviation (Nav) to a civil school (university flight program) and back home to MilAv. I found that I had to be careful in the civil world of keying the mic and spouting what came naturally. Terms like RTB and tally would generate derision from my CFI's, even if the controllers didn't skip a beat. I would have never imagined throwing a "Bingo" out on the radio. UFB
I never would think of throwing out "Bingo" to a controller in my current working environment either, but I use it often enough between the other pilot and myself, even if I do have to explain to them what it means (along with Bullseye too
).USMCFLYR
