321SeeYa

First of all, I know there have been a lot of threads regarding this subject, and other threads where it has been discussed off topic also. If my question has already been discussed, feel free to direct me to the appropriate place.
That said:


I am filling out the PRIA (FAA 8060-11 and 8060-11A) paperwork for an upcoming interview. A separate copy of the form must be filled out for each flying job in the last 5 years.

So far all of my flying has been part 91. Some jobs I was not an employee, I was a contractor, and I don't know if the company has ANY record of my flying for them. Other jobs I was paid cash under the table. Another job I technically had no business relationship with the company whatsoever: I flew in trade, and the company ceased all operations after the one summer I flew there. I have no idea what that company's business address is, they don't have a valid fax #, etc.

Just asking for others' opinions here. At what point would you include Commercial level flying where you have gained experience and logged hours (even put on a resume)? And what would you leave off the official records?

Thanks!

Cubdriver

The standard for inclusion is when a job or position appears on your resume or work history. If the position appears, it counts. It may seem silly doing a training or performance paperwork request for a part time glider towing gig, but if the position was important enough to list on your flying history it needs to go on the PRIA request forms.

JohnBurke

PRIA only covers programs that were under Part 121 or 135. Most employers want you to fill out paperwork regarding all your former employment for the specified time period, but it's not necessary under the law, and former employers who are not 121 or 135 do not need to respond to the questionaire.

321SeeYa

OK that makes sense. I guess I should also clarify I'm not trying to hide anything in my past, I've just worked for a lot of companies.

What would you do if a previous employer has gone out of business or doesn't exist anymore, or no longer has a mailing address?

Cubdriver

To satisfy a prospective employer requirement for a contact, I have given home addresses where there was no business address involved. Let them try to gather the info and decide whether they need it or not. That's all you can do. I feel sorry for a couple of my former employers getting these requests because they do not get anything for fielding them.

JohnBurke

Many of my former employers are no longer available. Because PRIA paperwork is only required for certificate holders, any former employers who aren't required to be a part of the program are irrelevant (with some exceptions).

Guidance for FAA inspectors on the administration of PRIA: http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgOrders.nsf/0/1c3b938785afecc286257139006af7b5/$FILE/Order8000-88.pdf

Advisory Circular AC 120-68F:http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m...%20120-68F.pdf

Cubdriver

I wish airlines would disregard the non-Part 135 and 121 entries on our former employers list, but in my experience they want that data too. Fortunately those parties are not required to respond to such requests, only fair since they reap no benefits from sharing.

JohnBurke

Technically the Part 91 operators are required to respond with what they have for records, as it's mandated by an act of congress. However, Part 91 operators aren't required to keep the same records, generally, that 121, 125, or 135 operators must, and can't be expected to provide the same level of information.

The Advisory Circular and other information previously given allows additional details and exemptions regarding who must respond, with what, and how.

Whether a Part 91 operator responds or not isn't predicated on any benefit the operator may receive; it's predicated on being an aviation employer "person" as required to respond to record requests under the prior records improvement act. Not all are required to do so; exceptions and special circumstances apply.

rickair7777

This is not quite right, and there's an important distinction to make...

A hiring airline MUST send PRIA requests to ALL employers who employed you as a pilot within the last 5 years. That includes 121, 135, 141, and 91.

All past employers are REQUIRED by law to respond with whatever relevant records they may have. The key here is that 121 (and 135 & 141) are required to retain certain records for a certain period of time, so you would expect to get records from those entities.

A part 91 operation is NOT required to keep those kinds of records. However if they DO keep relevant records then they are REQUIRED by law to provide them. Any business (aside from the most fly-by-night) will usually keep records about their employees for business management and liability purposes. But since there's no required format or structure, you never know what you're going to get from a 91 outfit. Maybe nothing, maybe relevant records, or maybe everything they have on you, including the kitchen sink. In the later case it could hurt you if they include disciplinary records which are not supposed to be included in PRIA (even something like a list of all the times you were late to work).

JohnBurke

That is not correct, as multiple exceptions are given in the previously cited documents.

As I previously stated. There are, however, exceptions.