jetBlue Hiring
08-05-2014, 01:02 PM
#2351
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Position: Airbus 320 Right Seat
Posts: 1,440
Originally Posted by Southerner
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
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I updated the numbers to include all bases/equip. We've hired about 300 pilots so far for 2014 and 6 more A321s to be delivered this year. I haven't heard any rumors/projections regarding hiring for 2015, but we are due to receive 12 A321s. (15 Airbuses per year after that through 2020, subject to change and no clue if they will all be growth or replacements).
August 2014 junior lineholder (around 2855 total pilots as of bid closing):
JFK 320 FO- #2674
JFK 190 FO- #2628
BOS 320 FO- #2668
BOS 190 FO- #2703
FLL 320 FO- #2247
MCO 320 FO- #2146
MCO 190 FO- #2259
LGB 320 FO- #2103
Junior pilot in base for August bidding:
JFK 320 FO- #2855
JFK 190 FO- #2815
BOS 320 FO-#2829
BOS 190 FO- #2816
FLL 320 FO- #2572
MCO 320 FO- #2172
MCO 190 FO- #2330
LGB 320 FO- #2551
Which is better option if you want to go to MCO at the end??? Can you go 320 and then bid the 190 for a different base?
There's a 2 year seat lock. So you'll be on your initial equipment for 2 years before you can bid to the other.
I recommend the E190 first, as people sometimes struggle learning the Bus simultaneously with JetBlue procedures. It's a lot to take in. Plus you'll be more senior quicker on the 190. There's about to be a bunch of people moving off the 190 as their seat locks expire. The beginning of the last big wave of hiring was almost exactly 2 years ago, so expect this next bid to have a decent number of transitions.
Originally Posted by PilotJ3
Quote:
I updated the numbers to include all bases/equip. We've hired about 300 pilots so far for 2014 and 6 more A321s to be delivered this year. I haven't heard any rumors/projections regarding hiring for 2015, but we are due to receive 12 A321s. (15 Airbuses per year after that through 2020, subject to change and no clue if they will all be growth or replacements).
August 2014 junior lineholder (around 2855 total pilots as of bid closing):
JFK 320 FO- #2674
JFK 190 FO- #2628
BOS 320 FO- #2668
BOS 190 FO- #2703
FLL 320 FO- #2247
MCO 320 FO- #2146
MCO 190 FO- #2259
LGB 320 FO- #2103
Junior pilot in base for August bidding:
JFK 320 FO- #2855
JFK 190 FO- #2815
BOS 320 FO-#2829
BOS 190 FO- #2816
FLL 320 FO- #2572
MCO 320 FO- #2172
MCO 190 FO- #2330
LGB 320 FO- #2551
Which is better option if you want to go to MCO at the end??? Can you go 320 and then bid the 190 for a different base?
There's a 2 year seat lock. So you'll be on your initial equipment for 2 years before you can bid to the other.
I recommend the E190 first, as people sometimes struggle learning the Bus simultaneously with JetBlue procedures. It's a lot to take in. Plus you'll be more senior quicker on the 190. There's about to be a bunch of people moving off the 190 as their seat locks expire. The beginning of the last big wave of hiring was almost exactly 2 years ago, so expect this next bid to have a decent number of transitions.
Be in on the 320 ... If I were a new guy I would NOT bid the 190 ... Sure some 190 guys are gonna bid to the airbus but not to equal the amount of airbus' see have coming . Buddy of mine is on the 190 recent hire and has movement compared to pals in the airbus .... Truly ask someone before you place your bid.... It used to be simple yes the 190 always better line and life, I would say with no more orders for the 190's that isn't the case anymore .
Choose wisely, plus I need more 320 guys sent to JFK and Fll..... That's were the cool kids go.
08-05-2014, 01:06 PM
#2352
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jetBlue Hiring
I expect the 190 hiring numbers to pick back up. We shall see. Some of those guys holding lines could go back to reserve if enough transitions move in on top of them.
I'm not transitioning, but many of my buddies are in this next bid.
I'm not transitioning, but many of my buddies are in this next bid.
08-05-2014, 02:24 PM
#2353
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,202
Originally Posted by PilotJ3
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I updated the numbers to include all bases/equip. We've hired about 300 pilots so far for 2014 and 6 more A321s to be delivered this year. I haven't heard any rumors/projections regarding hiring for 2015, but we are due to receive 12 A321s. (15 Airbuses per year after that through 2020, subject to change and no clue if they will all be growth or replacements).
August 2014 junior lineholder (around 2855 total pilots as of bid closing):
JFK 320 FO- #2674
JFK 190 FO- #2628
BOS 320 FO- #2668
BOS 190 FO- #2703
FLL 320 FO- #2247
MCO 320 FO- #2146
MCO 190 FO- #2259
LGB 320 FO- #2103
Junior pilot in base for August bidding:
JFK 320 FO- #2855
JFK 190 FO- #2815
BOS 320 FO-#2829
BOS 190 FO- #2816
FLL 320 FO- #2572
MCO 320 FO- #2172
MCO 190 FO- #2330
LGB 320 FO- #2551
Which is better option if you want to go to MCO at the end??? Can you go 320 and then bid the 190 for a different base?
I updated the numbers to include all bases/equip. We've hired about 300 pilots so far for 2014 and 6 more A321s to be delivered this year. I haven't heard any rumors/projections regarding hiring for 2015, but we are due to receive 12 A321s. (15 Airbuses per year after that through 2020, subject to change and no clue if they will all be growth or replacements).
August 2014 junior lineholder (around 2855 total pilots as of bid closing):
JFK 320 FO- #2674
JFK 190 FO- #2628
BOS 320 FO- #2668
BOS 190 FO- #2703
FLL 320 FO- #2247
MCO 320 FO- #2146
MCO 190 FO- #2259
LGB 320 FO- #2103
Junior pilot in base for August bidding:
JFK 320 FO- #2855
JFK 190 FO- #2815
BOS 320 FO-#2829
BOS 190 FO- #2816
FLL 320 FO- #2572
MCO 320 FO- #2172
MCO 190 FO- #2330
LGB 320 FO- #2551
Which is better option if you want to go to MCO at the end??? Can you go 320 and then bid the 190 for a different base?
I recommend the E190 first, as people sometimes struggle learning the Bus simultaneously with JetBlue procedures. It's a lot to take in. Plus you'll be more senior quicker on the 190. There's about to be a bunch of people moving off the 190 as their seat locks expire. The beginning of the last big wave of hiring was almost exactly 2 years ago, so expect this next bid to have a decent number of transitions.
My guess is wait and see what's offered, if I ever get an interview and a class.
Last edited by PilotJ3; 08-05-2014 at 02:41 PM.
08-05-2014, 08:44 PM
#2354
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: My toilet seat for now
Posts: 28
Originally Posted by Std Deviation
9300 TT
6654 PIC
2965 JET
1400 TPIC
3 TYPES
142 Instructor/ Evaluator (as of Feb), 135, 121 (FO and CA), 91K
No incidents, accidents, failures, or enforcement actions
GA current as of Feb of this year (only about 25 hrs a year last couple years) , but no jet for 8 yrs
Age 44, male
Internal reccs
Was asked to get current 121. And that's what I'm doing...at a regional (since May). Ugggh.
6654 PIC
2965 JET
1400 TPIC
3 TYPES
142 Instructor/ Evaluator (as of Feb), 135, 121 (FO and CA), 91K
No incidents, accidents, failures, or enforcement actions
GA current as of Feb of this year (only about 25 hrs a year last couple years) , but no jet for 8 yrs
Age 44, male
Internal reccs
Was asked to get current 121. And that's what I'm doing...at a regional (since May). Ugggh.
08-05-2014, 08:51 PM
#2355
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Position: My toilet seat for now
Posts: 28
Originally Posted by BizPilot
I'm around 4,000 TT and been told here that's kind of light for a civilian. Funny I never mentioned my background. Last year I went to a Spirit job fair and they said I have no glass time, no 121 experience and Lear Jet pilots are not doing well in training. I said, "what if I get glass time in a Beech Baron?" got a blank expression.
This is such a supply and demand industry.
This is such a supply and demand industry.
08-05-2014, 10:27 PM
#2356
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,202
Originally Posted by NYCPiLoT757
Thats what I expect would happen with me. I have an interview with PSA and Envoy coming up. Im just dreading the pay. I don't know how I am going to do it but I guess I have no choice. If you don't mind me asking, which regional did you go with?
Good luck, if you need any info about Envoy, feel free to PM me.
08-06-2014, 04:21 AM
#2357
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: Utah Chapter
Posts: 391
Originally Posted by rightside02
I would normally agree with this statement but all the growth will
Be in on the 320 ... If I were a new guy I would NOT bid the 190 ... Sure some 190 guys are gonna bid to the airbus but not to equal the amount of airbus' see have coming . Buddy of mine is on the 190 recent hire and has movement compared to pals in the airbus .... Truly ask someone before you place your bid.... It used to be simple yes the 190 always better line and life, I would say with no more orders for the 190's that isn't the case anymore .
Choose wisely, plus I need more 320 guys sent to JFK and Fll..... That's were the cool kids go.
Be in on the 320 ... If I were a new guy I would NOT bid the 190 ... Sure some 190 guys are gonna bid to the airbus but not to equal the amount of airbus' see have coming . Buddy of mine is on the 190 recent hire and has movement compared to pals in the airbus .... Truly ask someone before you place your bid.... It used to be simple yes the 190 always better line and life, I would say with no more orders for the 190's that isn't the case anymore .
Choose wisely, plus I need more 320 guys sent to JFK and Fll..... That's were the cool kids go.
6 weeks reserve (2 after IOE, and the following month)
Move-up line.
Hybrid line.
Line, Line, Line (15-19 days off, ~80-85 hrs credit).
During those three last months, I worked zero Saturdays and only one Sunday, which was a late report. Granted, it was before the summer hit, but that kind of schedule combined with driving to work and flying with great folks made it very tough to leave.
Airbus is NOT that hard to learn - it's the FMS, Blueisms, and 121 stuff for those of us "mil-specs" who've never done it before that jolt the system. And that's the same whether you end up flying Frenchy or Barbie.
The airplane part of it is pretty straightforward. The Bus still talks airplane, just with a different accent.
I wouldn't be afraid of leBus, and definitely not if you've got prior 121, and especially glass experience.
08-06-2014, 04:34 AM
#2358
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Joined APC: May 2009
Position: Square root of the variance and average of the variation
Posts: 1,602
Originally Posted by NYCPiLoT757
Thats what I expect would happen with me. I have an interview with PSA and Envoy coming up. Im just dreading the pay. I don't know how I am going to do it but I guess I have no choice. If you don't mind me asking, which regional did you go with?
Was just shy of six figures at Flightsafety but without recency of experience this was the only way to get back into flying. FSI changed drastically in the last two years and became really miserable (I was a program manager and my position was eliminated. To go to another aircraft program they wanted me to sign a two year contract as well). Even my corporate contacts said no without the recency - I'm also typed in the Challenger 604 and Gulfstream IV.
08-06-2014, 05:09 AM
#2359
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Position: Square root of the variance and average of the variation
Posts: 1,602
Originally Posted by BizPilot
I said, "what if I get glass time in a Beech Baron?" got a blank expression.
My argument: "Since you're going to start me at $20,000 a year more than a regional, it will come out the same in the end and I don't have to spend two months in training, go through IOE, buy a uniform, buy an ipad (and a mount and spare battery), and be miserable while I sit reserve for a company I only expect to work at short term."
They didn't buy that either.
08-06-2014, 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Flying Elvis
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Originally Posted by rightside02
I would normally agree with this statement but all the growth will
Be in on the 320 ... If I were a new guy I would NOT bid the 190 ... Sure some 190 guys are gonna bid to the airbus but not to equal the amount of airbus' see have coming . Buddy of mine is on the 190 recent hire and has movement compared to pals in the airbus .... Truly ask someone before you place your bid.... It used to be simple yes the 190 always better line and life, I would say with no more orders for the 190's that isn't the case anymore .
Choose wisely, plus I need more 320 guys sent to JFK and Fll..... That's were the cool kids go.
+1 on this. My 7 months on the A320 at JB BOS in a nutshell:
6 weeks reserve (2 after IOE, and the following month)
Move-up line.
Hybrid line.
Line, Line, Line (15-19 days off, ~80-85 hrs credit).
During those three last months, I worked zero Saturdays and only one Sunday, which was a late report. Granted, it was before the summer hit, but that kind of schedule combined with driving to work and flying with great folks made it very tough to leave.
Airbus is NOT that hard to learn - it's the FMS, Blueisms, and 121 stuff for those of us "mil-specs" who've never done it before that jolt the system. And that's the same whether you end up flying Frenchy or Barbie.
The airplane part of it is pretty straightforward. The Bus still talks airplane, just with a different accent.
I wouldn't be afraid of leBus, and definitely not if you've got prior 121, and especially glass experience.
Originally Posted by rightside02
I would normally agree with this statement but all the growth will
Be in on the 320 ... If I were a new guy I would NOT bid the 190 ... Sure some 190 guys are gonna bid to the airbus but not to equal the amount of airbus' see have coming . Buddy of mine is on the 190 recent hire and has movement compared to pals in the airbus .... Truly ask someone before you place your bid.... It used to be simple yes the 190 always better line and life, I would say with no more orders for the 190's that isn't the case anymore .
Choose wisely, plus I need more 320 guys sent to JFK and Fll..... That's were the cool kids go.
+1 on this. My 7 months on the A320 at JB BOS in a nutshell:
6 weeks reserve (2 after IOE, and the following month)
Move-up line.
Hybrid line.
Line, Line, Line (15-19 days off, ~80-85 hrs credit).
During those three last months, I worked zero Saturdays and only one Sunday, which was a late report. Granted, it was before the summer hit, but that kind of schedule combined with driving to work and flying with great folks made it very tough to leave.
Airbus is NOT that hard to learn - it's the FMS, Blueisms, and 121 stuff for those of us "mil-specs" who've never done it before that jolt the system. And that's the same whether you end up flying Frenchy or Barbie.
The airplane part of it is pretty straightforward. The Bus still talks airplane, just with a different accent.
I wouldn't be afraid of leBus, and definitely not if you've got prior 121, and especially glass experience.
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