Is talking on the radio a violation? - Page 3 - Airline Pilot Central Forums

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Flyhayes , 06-07-2014 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by cencal83406

We are talking FAA not ICAO. Last I checked, the FAA is the official governing body of US aviation.

I don't see the point your trying to make.

In accordance with the Chicago convention, it's up to the FAA to implement the ICAO standards (more or less). Which in turn governs us pilots.

#22

cencal83406 , 06-07-2014 11:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyhayes

I don't see the point your trying to make.

In accordance with the Chicago convention, it's up to the FAA to implement the ICAO standards (more or less). Which in turn governs us pilots.

Okay... But where do the FAA regulations, in 2014, state a requirement for a RROP in domestic airspace?

#23

Michael9000 , 06-07-2014 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Yoda2

I can cite, but won't. Sorry Michael, the footwork is up to you; you have a computer. Employ an aviation attorney.

Typical response I would expect of one who claims a precedent that doesn't exist. "it's a fact, now go find the evidence to prove/disprove my claim".

I'll not waste my time on such nonsense.

#24

ToastAir , 06-07-2014 12:08 PM

ATC retired/121 hired

I remember a few years back, I think it was take you kid to work day, a controller or two let their kids transmit "contact departure". Not much to do with this with this, but the FAA took very quick action to stop it. (Bad press I guess). The delema was it specifically stated that you must not allow your child to make a transmission. At the time we had two fathers who's sons were training at our facility. Both fathers were good instructors.

#25

ackattacker , 06-07-2014 12:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cencal83406

Okay... But where do the FAA regulations, in 2014, state a requirement for a RROP in domestic airspace?

47 CFR 87.89 governs radio operator requirements.

The relevant part is thus, bold is my addition

Quote:
Minimum Operator License or Permit
Land stations, all classes
—All frequencies except VHF telephony transmitters providing domestic service RP
Aircraft stations, all classes
—Frequencies below 30 MHz allocated exclusively to aeronautical mobile services RP —Frequencies below 30 MHz not allocated exclusively to aeronautical mobile services MP or higher —Frequencies above 30 MHz not allocated exclusively to aeronautical mobile services and assigned for international use MP or higher —Frequencies above 30 MHz not assigned for international use none —Frequencies not used solely for telephone or exceeding 250 watts carrier power or 1000 watts peak envelope power G or higher
(c) The operator of a telephony station must directly supervise and be responsible for any other person who transmits from the station, and must ensure that such communications are in accordance with the station license.
(d) No operator license is required to:
(1) Operate an aircraft radar set, radio altimeter, transponder or other aircraft automatic radionavigation transmitter by flight personnel;
(2) Test an emergency locator transmitter or a survival craft station used solely for survival purposes;
(3) Operate an aeronautical enroute station which automatically transmits digital communications to aircraft stations;
(4) Operate a VHF telephony transmitter providing domestic service or used on domestic flights.

#26

ackattacker , 06-07-2014 12:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael9000

Typical response I would expect of one who claims a precedent that doesn't exist. "it's a fact, now go find the evidence to prove/disprove my claim".

I'll not waste my time on such nonsense.

Tough talk from someone facing FAA enforcement action and searching for free legal advice. Perhaps you should ask the lawyer you are paying (you are paying them, right?) to look up the relevant case law. People who have access to searchable legal databases generally pay for the privilege and they don't make their money back by dispensing the search results free.

You can lead a horse to water and so forth.

#27

vagabond , 06-07-2014 01:01 PM

Administrator

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael9000

Typical response I would expect of one who claims a precedent that doesn't exist. "it's a fact, now go find the evidence to prove/disprove my claim".

I'll not waste my time on such nonsense.

Then there is no reason for this third thread to stay open any longer. I think our members have been more than generous answering questions that do not contain all the pertinent details and then you are sarcastic to those who give an opinion that you don't like. Extraordinary behavior. Just remember not to use the "some guys on the internet told me" defense when arguing your case with the FAA examiner.