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#31

Timbo , 10-29-2014 06:54 AM

Runs with scissors

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Originally Posted by dckozak

The only issue I have with this quote, from an article, is its written by journalists quoting pilot(s) opinion. Is it harder to land than other transport aircraft? Possibly, but again it depends on the quality of the aviator and how much he is on his game that day. To paraphrase, you can't just hamfist it on and expect that bad things might not happen. About cross winds. As is usually the case, the sim does not do justice to how this (or any airplane) lands in a crosswind. I was lucky to get an early strong (without gusts) cross wind in Osaka early after IOE. Put in close to full rudder, kept the nose pointing straight down the runway and the up wind wing low. Sound familiar? yes just like the Cessna's and Beechcraft's and even the 727 I had flown in previous years. Landed like a champ, no issues, no funny business. That said, I do think that if you get into a pilot induced oscillation (PIO) it could have some serious repercussions if you don't get a handle on it. That could happen with a hard bounce or possibly a upset in the flair. Other types might be easier to recover from and salvage a landing out of, this jet (based on the evidence of other failures) best to put the power up, stop the oscillation, and fly it out of ground affect.

That sir, is the very definition of 'harder to land'.

You can keep telling yourself it's not, but the accident reports and statistics tell a different story.

What you keep saying is, yes, it's harder to land, but if you're as good as you are, it's not...

#32

Timbo , 10-29-2014 06:58 AM

Runs with scissors

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yazzoo

So if you want to turn left, do you just turn the yoke to the left and then back to neutral, without adding any back-pressure, and it'll maintain altitude?

If you do it slowly and smoothly, to give it time to trim, yes. If you use a rapid roll rate, you will have to add a little back pressure until the trim catches up, and that's when it starts to annoy me, because I have to reduce the back pressure while still adding bank, which is counter intuitive to every other airplane I've flown. I notice this in a turning departure, so the nose is already up in a climb attitude, and reducing back pressure at that point seems odd, but that's how it works.

So, the trick is, be slow(er) and you'll be smooth(er). (Just like your first girlfriend told you!)

BTW, the MD911 also has automatic trim, but it cuts out when you exceed 2lbs. of pressure on the yoke, so you really need to fly it like you are milking a mouse, with just your thumb and index finger on the yoke, and wait for the trim to catch up to what you want it to do. That got many guys into trouble when hand flying it, as they would over control it by using an iron grip with more than 2lbs. of pressure, causing a PIO between their inputs and constantly going in and out of auto trim.

#33

Timbo , 10-29-2014 07:49 AM

Runs with scissors

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbo

That sir, is the very definition of 'harder to land'.

You can keep telling yourself it's not, but the accident reports and statistics tell a different story.

What you keep saying is, yes, it's harder to land, but if you're as good as you are, it's not...

On further reflection, 'harder to land' might be an overstatement.

"Less Forgiving" is more accurate!

#34

seaduck , 11-02-2014 04:07 PM

On Reserve

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timbo

On further reflection, 'harder to land' might be an overstatement.

"Less Forgiving" is more accurate!

Absolutely!