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OceanCrosser , 11-28-2014 07:35 AM
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It is to the FAA since 911. Pre 911 the A Line, as it was called then, could come up and sit on the jumpseat for takeoff and landing if it was empty. I liked the idea especially if you turned the speaker up so they could hear all the chatter going on while you on the ground in places like ORD or ATL. It made them better understand why we might not answer their call as quickly as they might like.
Sounds like we essentially agree; it isn't a big deal.

I really don't know if it is an FAR thing (maybe someone can quote chapter and verse) which restricts the FA's access.

However, if they (our FA's) are truly a threat, then why do we allow them to bring our meals or drinks into the cockpit? Or even babysit us while the other is attending to his/her physiological needs?

But it does seem strange when other employee groups with the approval of our management is allowed access. All they need is a letter. Go figure.

Hope your Thanksgiving was great.

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OceanCrosser , 11-28-2014 07:56 AM
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They can't legally access the cockpit Jumpseat so it's a non issue.
Do you bring your own meals and drinks whilst enroute? Or does the cabin staff bring them to you? If so, it appears they do have access albeit with your permission. Kind of like the permission I provide to the offline pilot wanting to sit on my jumpseat.

It maybe splitting hairs by using the term "cockpit jumpseat" versus "cockpit", but either way, they do have access to the flightdeck.

I am probably out in "left field" with the common sense approach I am using, especially since I'm intimately familiar this approach often isn't used by our governing agency. Sigh....

All in all, it ain't no big deal.

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I really don't see an issue with providing access to a either crewmember who would like to utilize MY jumpseat. Flight Attendants are trained regarding the sterile cockpit rules better than most other employee groups that are allowed access. But in the end, it is my option to allow access.

At DAL, our pilots can flow back to the Flight Attendant jumpseat based on availability. Of course our cabin staff has first access, and there have been many times I have sat on their jumpseat to provide a spot for offline pilots to our flight deck jumpseat.

As a disclaimer.. .I am NOT married to a FA, I DON'T have a FA girlfriend and have NEVER dated a FA. But I am starting my 37th year as an airline pilot.

It ain't no big deal!

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Sounds like we essentially agree; it isn't a big deal.

I really don't know if it is an FAR thing (maybe someone can quote chapter and verse) which restricts the FA's access.

However, if they (our FA's) are truly a threat, then why do we allow them to bring our meals or drinks into the cockpit? Or even babysit us while the other is attending to his/her physiological needs?

But it does seem strange when other employee groups with the approval of our management is allowed access. All they need is a letter. Go figure.

Hope your Thanksgiving was great.

All the best,

OC
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Do you bring your own meals and drinks whilst enroute? Or does the cabin staff bring them to you? If so, it appears they do have access albeit with your permission. Kind of like the permission I provide to the offline pilot wanting to sit on my jumpseat.

It maybe splitting hairs by using the term "cockpit jumpseat" versus "cockpit", but either way, they do have access to the flightdeck.

I am probably out in "left field" with the common sense approach I am using, especially since I'm intimately familiar this approach often isn't used by our governing agency. Sigh....

All in all, it ain't no big deal.

All the best,

OC

Love your common sense approach! I'm sure your FA's love working with you....
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Sounds like we essentially agree; it isn't a big deal.

I really don't know if it is an FAR thing (maybe someone can quote chapter and verse) which restricts the FA's access.

However, if they (our FA's) are truly a threat, then why do we allow them to bring our meals or drinks into the cockpit? Or even babysit us while the other is attending to his/her physiological needs?

But it does seem strange when other employee groups with the approval of our management is allowed access. All they need is a letter. Go figure.

Hope your Thanksgiving was great.

All the best,

OC
It has been done before. You have to get the FAA to sign off on allowing FAs on the cockpit jumpseat as a training event. This was done at Independence Air and Jetblue I beleive. Its a win win for everybody. Pilots get access to FA jumpseat as long as there are no FAs on the jumpseat, and FAs get access to the cockpit jumpseat as long as no pilot is trying to get on that jumpseat as well. Plus it is a good training tool for FAs to see what happens up front and why we don't always answer as quickly as they would like sometimes.
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It has been done before. You have to get the FAA to sign off on allowing FAs on the cockpit jumpseat as a training event. This was done at Independence Air and Jetblue I beleive. Its a win win for everybody. Pilots get access to FA jumpseat as long as there are no FAs on the jumpseat, and FAs get access to the cockpit jumpseat as long as no pilot is trying to get on that jumpseat as well. Plus it is a good training tool for FAs to see what happens up front and why we don't always answer as quickly as they would like sometimes.

Blasphemy!!! Common sense!!! How DARE you!! No soup for you!!

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Blasphemy!!! Common sense!!! How DARE you!! No soup for you!!

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LOL I know. You too....
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It has been done before. You have to get the FAA to sign off on allowing FAs on the cockpit jumpseat as a training event. This was done at Independence Air and Jetblue I beleive. Its a win win for everybody. Pilots get access to FA jumpseat as long as there are no FAs on the jumpseat, and FAs get access to the cockpit jumpseat as long as no pilot is trying to get on that jumpseat as well. Plus it is a good training tool for FAs to see what happens up front and why we don't always answer as quickly as they would like sometimes.
The FAA is not granting access for flight attendants post 911 so again it's a non issue. If it were legal I would have no problem with it.
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Sailing and OC, you guys are talking past each other.
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Sailing and OC, you guys are talking past each other.
Not really, I understand where Sailing is coming from although I am taking him at his word regarding the FAA restricting access to the jumpseat but not the flightdeck. Doesn't make sense but like I said, it ain't no big deal.

If or when we are allowed to grant FA access, I will welcome them much the same way I did the ATC folks. I enjoy having them on the jumpseat.

Well.. it's time to go back for a second pass at our Thanksgiving dinner.

Hope you are staying warm,

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