Already answered. You just don't like the answer and want to spin it in an attempt to make me out to be some kind of extremist.

You're right about one thing, though. I don't trust the negotiators to get the best deal they can. Not when they don't have an objective that even remotely resembles restoration and are therefore not even opening with something in the ball park. Our company is making billions. Pilot costs are relatively small in the grand scheme of things. It's not that I think our negotiators are dishonest. I just think their objective is something far short of mine and their mindset is in line with bankruptcy as a reset. That is not going to result in anything like what I think is appropriate or what I will accept. Herman Cain (radio host, former presidential candidate, and highly successful businessman) often talks about "working on the right problem." If our negotiating committee is not working on restoration then they are NOT working on the right problem.

That says nothing about DPA. Again, more spin from you trying to turn it into something it's not. Get off my lawn!

The "right" problem is a moving target. For you and me it's money. For the newhires it's bottom end scope. For the old guys it's retirement. Why is your desire any more important than anybody else's? I don't want to pay for bottom end scope. That doesn't make it unimportant to somebody else.

And bankruptcy was a reset. There. I said it. Move on. It was sad, it was wrong, but it is a fact. Life's too short to fret and whine about it. There is nowhere to go but up, and I am good with singles and doubles and not home runs. You can only hit what's pitched. And I can't cry about a relief pitcher that throws a really good curve. I have to learn to hit the curve better. And I am.

Can't wait to read your retort to this.... although I am sure I can write it for you and pretty much hit all your talking points.

You gonna tear up your allegiance to them then and get on the winning team?

I believe we can all have more than one priority. That is a gross over simplification. Having said that, I think money is a fairly high priority for just about everybody. We all (well most of us anyway) love to fly and enjoy our "work." I know I do! But the fundamental reason anyone works is to be compensated for it. We're currently being compensated at a level approx. 34% below the norm that was established for several decades prior to management's great bankruptcy opportunity. I would bet correcting that was a big part of the survey results from most demographics in our pilot group for C2012.

Well thanks for being honest. Finally.

I have a current card. I may or may not renew it. Honestly, I don't think they're going to ever get that vote and I'm not too impressed with them anyway.

I wish I had a "winning team" to get on! Unfortunately, the only choice I have is a losing team who gave up because they faced a really bad situation and then didn't have the resolve or commitment or respect for our profession to fight for restoration after the bad situation was over. They think exactly like you just admitted in your other post. This should be the official symbol of DALPA:

Well 62% of your pilot group disagrees with you. Of course I guess they were simply duped.

That's ridiculous. I've never heard a single no voter say that. Not one. Mostly the reasons I've heard are: Didn't meet the contract survey, didn't believe the MEC admin's fear campaign, thought the company would come back with more if we sent it back, and it was too little before Section 6 even began.

Just like last time and not including our foreign JV competitors.

Carl

Yikes.

Yikes!

Carl

Thanks for the emotional response, it really helps your case.

I was simply referencing how the process is conducted per the C&BL and MEC Policy Manual. That same C&BL and Policy Manual process brought you the C2K, LOA46, LOA 19, LOA 51, C1991, c1996, etc. some were good, some weren't; was it a lack of ethics and common sense then too? Did we abandon our reps if they weren't the specific one you voted for?

The NWA pilots would not have been successful in 1998 unless they backed their reps 100%, whether they voted for them or not.

Unity isn't an item of convenience. It's a fundamental part of being in a union member. I hope you come to that realization some day.