How do we already have RFO flights with no "approved" crew rest facility on the 767?? Trip 3136 30 Oct, 767

It's a part 91 repositioning flight that is normally done by instructors but I guess they are too busy right now.

There is no requirement for crew rest facilities on augmented flights up to 12 hours.

We biotched for years to get these ferry flights in the bid pack.....

Was told by the guy drafting the letter/FCIF that this was going to be operated as a revenue flight.

Setting the stage for the 76 to start flying Campinas in Jan.

Unless you operate under FAR 117, which is main reason they blocked it.

Not the way I read it but I am no expert. I wonder if our reclining jump seats reach 40 degrees.

http://www3.alpa.org/portals/alpa/co...nts.pdf#page18

117 actually looks uglier.

So, the bottom line is we can fly to Campinas in the 767, within our current contract limits?

Of course. We've been doing it for years with an MD-11 or MD-10-30. 3-person crew, less than 12 hours block. If they got lucky they had an -11 crew rest bird, if not they had a futon (I mean a vinyl mat on the floor).

There are Fedex MD-11s airborne as I type this flying 8 to 12 block hours with 3 pilots and no rest facility. Why is this even a question?

Back in the day we flew DC-10's up to 12 hours. And that was with your behind in your crew position.....